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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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« Reply #33012 on: June 14, 2024, 11:52:57 AM »
I don't think she's far right myself even by French standards.


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« Reply #33013 on: June 14, 2024, 12:04:07 PM »
Congress needs to fix this.
Congress can. All this ruling did was prohibit the Executive Branch from making up laws as they go along. 

This ruling was NOT based on the Second Amendment. The Trump Administration based their bump-stock ban on Congress' Machine Gun ban. The problem is that Congress' ban defines a machine gun based on "trigger action" and bump stocks were designed/invented to circumvent that ban by causing the trigger to pull repeatedly. 

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« Reply #33014 on: June 14, 2024, 12:12:49 PM »
I take it you made it out of PBI?
Took a while. After the people got on the plane, lightning came and they could not let the ground crew load the luggage so we sat there for about an hour and a half, but finally got out of there
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« Reply #33015 on: June 14, 2024, 12:15:56 PM »
Today is National Bourbon Day.  


This was a public service announcement. Just thought you should know.
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« Reply #33016 on: June 14, 2024, 12:16:33 PM »
Congress can. All this ruling did was prohibit the Executive Branch from making up laws as they go along.

This ruling was NOT based on the Second Amendment. The Trump Administration based their bump-stock ban on Congress' Machine Gun ban. The problem is that Congress' ban defines a machine gun based on "trigger action" and bump stocks were designed/invented to circumvent that ban by causing the trigger to pull repeatedly.
Correct on all counts.

I'm all for a ban on these things.

Maybe #45 can ram it through congress if he's elected again, rather than write an EO. He probably could have rammed it through in 2017, in fact, when the memory of Las Vegas was fresh, and the NRA sided with his EO.
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« Reply #33017 on: June 14, 2024, 12:16:51 PM »
Took a while. After the people got on the plane, lightning came and they could not let the ground crew load the luggage so we sat there for about an hour and a half, but finally got out of there
Glad you made it, papa.
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« Reply #33018 on: June 14, 2024, 12:21:33 PM »
They seem "gimmicky", to me, a way to waste a lot of ammo and make noise.  I think a person intent on killing a lot of people with a semiautomatic rifle would be more "effective" without the thing, except for spreading panic in the crowd.


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« Reply #33019 on: June 14, 2024, 12:30:03 PM »
They seem "gimmicky", to me, a way to waste a lot of ammo and make noise.  I think a person intent on killing a lot of people with a semiautomatic rifle would be more "effective" without the thing, except for spreading panic in the crowd.
I think you are right generally but it depends on the situation. If you want to hit specific individual targets a bump stock will just, as you said, "waste a lot of ammo and make noise.". It appears that the Vegas shooter didn't care about specificity and just wanted to kill. Since he was firing into a crowd, precision aim was more-or-less irrelevant. 

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« Reply #33020 on: June 14, 2024, 12:43:16 PM »
He he fired "normally", I submit he would have killed more than he did, but that is conjecture.  I agree with a tightly packed crowd accuracy wouldn't matter initially.


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« Reply #33021 on: June 14, 2024, 12:44:24 PM »
Earlier people were talking about the sort of blowback that comes from lenient crime laws/enforcement, then increasing crime, leading to support for stricter crime laws/enforcement.

Well, my highly liberal state of CA looks to be embracing that trend: https://ktla.com/news/local-news/initiative-to-change-californias-controversial-prop-47-eligible-for-november-ballot/


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California voters will get their chance to reform a controversial law that critics blame for a surge in retail thefts and brazen flash mob robberies.
The Secretary of State’s Office announced on Tuesday that an initiative to repeal portions of Proposition 47 had acquired enough signatures to qualify for the November 5 general election.
The measure garnered more than 600,000 valid petition signatures easily surpassing the required 546,651 to become eligible for the ballot, according to the state office.
The voter-approved Prop. 47, which passed in 2014, reduced some felonies to misdemeanors and set a $950 threshold for shoplifting charges.
Supporters of the new initiative say Prop. 47 was too soft on criminals and has led to an increase in crime, including smash-and-grab robberies which are often captured on surveillance video and viewed by millions online.
When even CA is sick of crime and starts to do something about it, it shows you just how far it slid...


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« Reply #33022 on: June 14, 2024, 12:45:26 PM »
I think you are right generally but it depends on the situation. If you want to hit specific individual targets a bump stock will just, as you said, "waste a lot of ammo and make noise.". It appears that the Vegas shooter didn't care about specificity and just wanted to kill. Since he was firing into a crowd, precision aim was more-or-less irrelevant.
This is why they should be banned.

I've used them. They have no real purpose in my view.

The AR and handguns I have, on the other hand, are useful. And fun to shoot at a range.
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« Reply #33023 on: June 14, 2024, 12:47:39 PM »
I see no real use for them other than havoc and destruction, I agree with banning them.

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« Reply #33024 on: June 14, 2024, 12:50:03 PM »
When even CA is sick of crime and starts to do something about it, it shows you just how far it slid...


That's why I'm glad we have this guy (in our county), and many others like him, in Florida. They don't mess around.

After Ian, he went on and said, "you loot, we shoot" and he was not kidding.


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« Reply #33025 on: June 14, 2024, 12:51:18 PM »
That's why I'm glad we have this guy (in our county), and many others like him, in Florida. They don't mess around.

After Ian, he went on and said, "you loot, we shoot" and he was not kidding.


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It's one of the main reasons I moved out of Austin and into my little suburb.  A completely different approach to law enforcement, and city infrastructure in general.

 

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