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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #32354 on: May 28, 2024, 07:52:11 PM »
you brought up the OT with the ten commandments earlier
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« Reply #32355 on: May 28, 2024, 08:32:03 PM »
So murder was cool before then and would be now without the commandments?
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« Reply #32356 on: May 28, 2024, 08:33:12 PM »
well, I think it actually started with Cain & Able ;)
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« Reply #32357 on: May 28, 2024, 08:46:34 PM »
does a past case need to be considered on a present case and does a present case have to be applied to future cases?

I see where similar or equal rationale should be considered, but is it a must? and if so, why?
What usually happens when a case appears before SCOTUS and is taken by them, is that there is some controversy over what "the law" is. Their job is to interpret the law in the cases where it's not 100% clear. And when they make that interpretation, that is now "the law". 

As such, any judgment they make usually makes things clear in future [similar] cases as to how the law should be applied. So all lower courts take their precedent and apply it in future similar cases. 

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« Reply #32358 on: May 28, 2024, 08:48:59 PM »
yes, I know this, but why?

does it have to be applied to future cases?

is it a must?
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« Reply #32359 on: May 28, 2024, 11:47:01 PM »
So murder is bad because the bible? 

I've officially heard it all.  This is utterly hopeless.
LoL.

I never said that. The adults are discussing the application of legal precedent (not precedence for the Peanut Gallery). This is apparently far beyond your comprehension so stick to topics where you can keep up.

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« Reply #32360 on: May 28, 2024, 11:52:07 PM »
yes, I know this, but why?

does it have to be applied to future cases?

is it a must?
It is foundational to our legal system and, I would argue, to our civilization. If you aren't following precedent then you are just making arbitrary decisions and you don't have the rule of law.

There are exceptions of course. Sometimes a prior case was wrongly decided and sometimes precedent is overturned by statute or Constitutional Amendment but our system is predicated on following precedent in at least the vast majority of cases.

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« Reply #32361 on: May 29, 2024, 06:49:16 AM »
Faith is what you have when you lack a good reason.  And that's supposed to warrant respect?  Pass.
No.

Faith is what you have every day. You have faith that today will be a good one. Faith is not about prayer. Faith is hope, which is not the same as having a plan that you have faith in.
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #32362 on: May 29, 2024, 06:59:35 AM »
Stare decisis, it's a principle adopted by SCOTUS, it's not in the Constitution.  It simply means a previous decision should be given great weight and not over turned unless it's quite clear it was wrong, say Pessy-v-Ferguson for example.

Interestingly, the Constitution doesn't explicitly give SCOTUS the power to "interpret" the Constitution.  That came about after Marbury-v-Madison, in effect (or most clearly).


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« Reply #32363 on: May 29, 2024, 07:08:40 AM »
Man, it used to be such a great city. It makes me sad, what the regressives have done to it.

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #32364 on: May 29, 2024, 07:24:34 AM »
So murder was cool before then and would be now without the commandments?
Code of Hammurabi of course, and even before that, murder has been considered a crime by humans nearly everywhere for obvious reasons.  The main point is that even though it's prohbited in religious texts, it also is the same in various secular texts.

Most of our laws are based on old English law for understandable reasons.  That of course was somewhat based on Biblical sources.  Louisiana is a bit different.

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« Reply #32365 on: May 29, 2024, 07:46:15 AM »
It is foundational to our legal system and, I would argue, to our civilization. If you aren't following precedent then you are just making arbitrary decisions and you don't have the rule of law.

There are exceptions of course. Sometimes a prior case was wrongly decided and sometimes precedent is overturned by statute or Constitutional Amendment but our system is predicated on following precedent in at least the vast majority of cases.
there ya go
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« Reply #32366 on: May 29, 2024, 07:58:21 AM »
Code of Hammurabi of course, and even before that, murder has been considered a crime by humans nearly everywhere for obvious reasons.  The main point is that even though it's prohbited in religious texts, it also is the same in various secular texts.

Most of our laws are based on old English law for understandable reasons.  That of course was somewhat based on Biblical sources.  Louisiana is a bit different.
Applies to my field (well, one of them - land surveying) in very many cases.
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #32367 on: May 29, 2024, 11:13:58 AM »
No.

Faith is what you have every day. You have faith that today will be a good one. Faith is not about prayer. Faith is hope, which is not the same as having a plan that you have faith in.
No.

Hope is hope.  Faith is the voluntary suspension of reason.  You could cite faith to hold any position.  I could have faith that Eastern Michigan is better than Ohio State.  I can have faith that the flying spaghetti monster is the one true god.  

I can hope Mookie Betts gets a hit in his next at-bat.  I know the stats and that it's unlikely, but I can hope this at-bat is one of the three-out-of-ten that he'll get a hit.
If I have faith Betts will get a hit, I have the expectation that he'll get a hit this time up, despite the stats.  
Faith takes the reality and throws it out the window, and expects the exception to occur.  

Basically the worst way to believe something.  No evidence or bad evidence for it and ignoring the reality of the situation.

Brilliant.
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