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Mdot21

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« Reply #31066 on: April 30, 2024, 03:39:58 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on April 30, 2024, 06:39:21 AM
No question. I was just answering 320's question about why the ICC is after Netanyahu.

Hamas is not a country. It's a terrorist group funded by Iran.

So let the ICC go after the Ayatollahs. They are true evil.
there is some evidence of this, but it's a bit murky and contradictory, and I'm sure Iran has funded or supported Hamas, but to what extent. It's likely not drastic amounts, and you can bet your ass whatever it is, it pales in comparison to the funding of Hamas that BENJAMIN NETANYAHU himself is directly responsible for. Netanyahu's government has funded Hamas for decades (he's been elected PM three times and served a total of like 16 years) and to the tune of well over a billion dollars. Ask yourself why that is....
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« Reply #31067 on: April 30, 2024, 03:40:36 PM »
What makes an occupation illegal?
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« Reply #31068 on: April 30, 2024, 03:43:21 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on April 30, 2024, 07:22:31 AM
What's happening at a lot of these campuses is purely disgusting. I can understand supporting the Palestinian people - most of whom are probably good people. Openly supporting Hamas? Not acceptable.

Deport these people to Palestine so they can support Hamas directly. GTFO of here.

Oh, and...

Don't mess with U Florida or U Texas.
yeah, I haven't seen much of anyone supporting Hamas. Have seen very little of it, and most of what I have seen are a lot of people with signs saying end apartheid, end the occupation, end the genocide, free palestine though. haven't seen much saying let's go hamas....but hey that's just me and I haven't paid much attention to the protestors to be honest. 
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« Reply #31069 on: April 30, 2024, 03:43:54 PM »
Quote from: GopherRock on April 30, 2024, 10:47:44 AM
The removal of both Hamas AND Netanyahu/Likud is required for there to be any solution in that part of the world.

It takes two to tango. Both parties are responsible for deteriorating the situation to where the only way forward from October 7 was shameless, wonton killing. Israel's actions in Gaza have done more to ensure the survival of Hamas than it's leadership, or the mullahs in Tehran, could have possibly dreamed of.

As for looking in the mirror, the invasion of Iraq was a terrible idea then and has not improved one whit in the 22 years since then.

It took 100 years of sectarian violence in Northern Ireland, 2 leaders that said enough was enough, and another 20 years of skepticism, refusals to stand down, tension, and distrust for things to openly calm down. That may be what's ahead in the Middle East.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland_peace_process

And there is a high likelihood that everyone's opinions are wrong. In the Middle East, there aren't two perspectives on things. There are 40.
+1. this is the best post on the topic in this thread. kudos.
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« Reply #31070 on: April 30, 2024, 03:50:57 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on April 30, 2024, 11:01:25 AM
It's unfortunately more than that. For better or worse (and to a degree understandably) Gaza is super radicalized. So cycling off that, which is a mammoth task, will likely take decades or generations.

Just an unfortunate shit position all around.
Gee, I wonder why they are radicalized in Gaza. Could it be the 6 decades long occupation by Israel? The concentration camp it's become that the IDF has laid continual siege to since 2005? Could be the constant "mowing the lawn" every few years as the IDF calls it- where they'll sniper shoot some Palestinian kids heads clean off for standing in front of a fence with a Free Palestine sign or throwing rocks at an IDF tank or drop bombs on Palestinians just for sh*ts and giggles to keep them in check? Could it be this current war where they've killed over 15,000 children in just a little over 6 months. 

Gee, wonder why people get radicalized when you occupy their land, destroy their homes, and slaughter their children



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I3h-viD4nE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_xwnBNW_BI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdOvit__o8A
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« Reply #31071 on: April 30, 2024, 03:59:08 PM »
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« Reply #31072 on: April 30, 2024, 04:05:38 PM »
Ah, some UN report.  And then?
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« Reply #31073 on: April 30, 2024, 04:15:31 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on April 30, 2024, 03:43:21 PM
yeah, I haven't seen much of anyone supporting Hamas. Have seen very little of it, and most of what I have seen are a lot of people with signs saying end apartheid, end the occupation, end the genocide, free palestine though. haven't seen much saying let's go hamas....but hey that's just me and I haven't paid much attention to the protestors to be honest.
There are many saying the phrase "from the river to the sea" which directly refers to the elimination and eradication of all Jews and the Israeli state.  47 of the 63 "protesters" arrested at UT yesterday were not students.  This isn't the 60s and these aren't peaceful hippie sit-ins.
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« Reply #31074 on: April 30, 2024, 04:23:07 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 30, 2024, 04:05:38 PM
Ah, some UN report.  And then?
it's a UN report whose findings and conclusions are based on....wait for it....various international laws and treaties. 

the occupation of Gaza and the West Bank are illegal. they are war crimes in and of themselves. 
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« Reply #31075 on: April 30, 2024, 04:27:02 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on April 30, 2024, 04:15:31 PM
There are many saying the phrase "from the river to the sea" which directly refers to the elimination and eradication of all Jews and the Israeli state.  47 of the 63 "protesters" arrested at UT yesterday were not students.  This isn't the 60s and these aren't peaceful hippie sit-ins.

Yes- and MDot is conveniently omitting how/ why Israel got where they are.    Selective history. 
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« Reply #31076 on: April 30, 2024, 04:29:19 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on April 30, 2024, 04:15:31 PM
There are many saying the phrase "from the river to the sea" which directly refers to the elimination and eradication of all Jews and the Israeli state.  47 of the 63 "protesters" arrested at UT yesterday were not students.  This isn't the 60s and these aren't peaceful hippie sit-ins.
are they destroying any property? vandalizing buildings? assaulting people? cause if they aren't doing any of that- really doesn't matter if they are students or not...and would describe anyone just shouting and holding signs as peaceful protestors.

"from the river to the sea Palestine will be free" doesn't directly refer to the elimination and eradication of all Jews and the Israeli state either by the way. people can utter the phrase and just want to see an end to the Israeli occupation....just because some people in Hamas also chant something similar doesn't mean those people support Hamas or want to see the eradication of Israel or of Jews....maybe they just want Palestine to be free? 


https://apnews.com/article/river-sea-israel-gaza-hamas-protests-d7abbd756f481fe50b6fa5c0b907cd49
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« Reply #31077 on: April 30, 2024, 04:30:49 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on April 30, 2024, 04:27:02 PM
Yes- and MDot is conveniently omitting how/ why Israel got where they are.    Selective history.
buddy I'm not omitting anything. It's the people who buy into the lies and propaganda of Israel who conveniently omit things like historical context and facts.
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« Reply #31078 on: April 30, 2024, 04:33:52 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on April 30, 2024, 04:29:19 PM
are they destroying any property? vandalizing buildings? assaulting people? cause if they aren't doing any of that- really doesn't matter if they are students or not...and would describe anyone just shouting and holding signs as peaceful protestors.

"from the river to the sea Palestine will be free" doesn't directly refer to the elimination and eradication of all Jews and the Israeli state either by the way. people can utter the phrase and just want to see an end to the Israeli occupation....just because some people in Hamas also chant something similar doesn't mean those people support Hamas or want to see the eradication of Israel or of Jews....maybe they just want Palestine to be free?


https://apnews.com/article/river-sea-israel-gaza-hamas-protests-d7abbd756f481fe50b6fa5c0b907cd49
Of course it refers to the elimination of the Jews, that's why Hamas and other terrorist groups say it.

And that's why these protesters are repeating it.

You didn't ask whether or not they're being destructive, you claimed you'd only seen people with positive and peaceful messages and positive signs.  I'm responding directly to that-- supporting the genocide of Israel is neither peaceful nor positive.

For someone who has claimed to support neither side, you sure seem to support one side.
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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #31079 on: April 30, 2024, 04:39:01 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on April 30, 2024, 04:27:02 PM
Yes- and MDot is conveniently omitting how/ why Israel got where they are.    Selective history.
I'm trying to learn more on this.

Historically, Jews have been persecuted, isolated and relegated. Probably more than any other religion. 

Why was Israel formed after WWI? Is that where the Jews in Europe wanted to be? Did the Brits just pick that area?

I don't know all of that history, but I want to.

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On a side note, China is committing genocide. Where are the protests on that?
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