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betarhoalphadelta

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« Reply #31052 on: April 30, 2024, 03:06:44 PM »
Why is Jewish ethnic and Catholic is not? That's what I don't get.

If someone random were to ask me what I am, I wouldn't say "I'm Catholic".
Same answer as bayareabadger.

Catholicism is too widespread. During it's height it was all of Europe. It still dominates Mexico and South America. 

If "Catholicism" can include a Pole, a Frenchman, an Italian, a Spaniard, a Mexican, an an Argentinian, and then any number of post-colonial countries, it ceases to mean anything if you call it an ethnicity. 

That simply wasn't true with the Jewish culture. It has historically not been a "missionary" culture like Christianity or Islam, and as a result has remained very insular and homogenous compared to those. 

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« Reply #31053 on: April 30, 2024, 03:07:44 PM »
the only morons are people who actually believe that propaganda. the bs sensationalist false journalism from the NYT about beheaded children, mass rapes, and burned babies has been thoroughly debunked 100 times over.

And no, it's not a surprise that a fascist war criminal like Benjamin Netanyahu has committed war crimes and slaughtered innocent civilian women and children by the tens of thousands en masse.
Conspiracy theorist eh?  Nothing about October7th has been debunked.  Nothing.  
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« Reply #31054 on: April 30, 2024, 03:07:47 PM »
Thank Hamas.  The moment they attacked, this was the certain outcome. 
Thank Netanyahu then for funding Hamas to the tune of billions of dollars. The moment he gave them all that pile of cash, a potential attack from Hamas was the certain outcome.

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« Reply #31055 on: April 30, 2024, 03:11:11 PM »
Conspiracy theorist eh?  Nothing about October7th has been debunked.  Nothing. 
conspiracy theorist is much like the term whataboutism. a shallow vapid meaningless term thrown out by stupid people.

And yes, most of the hysteria around October 7th about beheaded babies and gang rapes has all fallen apart by the wayside.

The attacks were bad enough on their own merit, there is no need to make up stories and sensationalize with horror stories designed to illicit irrational emotional responses.

The Israeli government after 6+ months still cannot confirm the "40 beheaded babies" story- and the NY Times reporting on that topic has already been debunked and blown to shreds 100 ways to Sunday by actual reporters.

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« Reply #31056 on: April 30, 2024, 03:18:25 PM »
Really, this is a super-tough topic. So F'ing complicated my head is exploding.

Give me a Differential Equations or Linear and Matrix Algebra problem over this problem any time. My head might still explode. Might.
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« Reply #31057 on: April 30, 2024, 03:19:01 PM »
Who claimed forty beheaded babies?

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« Reply #31058 on: April 30, 2024, 03:19:06 PM »
conspiracy theorist is much like the term whataboutism. a shallow vapid meaningless term thrown out by stupid people.

And yes, most of the hysteria around October 7th about beheaded babies and gang rapes has all fallen apart by the wayside.

The attacks were bad enough on their own merit, there is no need to make up stories and sensationalize with horror stories designed to illicit irrational emotional responses.

The Israeli government after 6+ months still cannot confirm the "40 beheaded babies" story- and the NY Times reporting on that topic has already been debunked and blown to shreds 100 ways to Sunday by actual reporters.
NY Times being debunked is redundant. Lol

Their track record for truth and accuracy is beyond comical.  There are other credible sources and video. 
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« Reply #31059 on: April 30, 2024, 03:21:55 PM »

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« Reply #31060 on: April 30, 2024, 03:22:33 PM »
As many as 40 babies dead, some beheaded.  


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« Reply #31061 on: April 30, 2024, 03:24:25 PM »
I don’t have the magic answer. Slaughtering of anybody and especially women and children is enough to make me throw up.

I just know that on October 6 of 2023 it was relatively peaceful over there, and on October 7,, 1200 innocent people, including women in children were butchered, slaughtered, beheaded, and raped, many in their own homes.  I also know that those responsible for that have said repeatedly that that is their mission in life, and that they will do that every chance they get and they have proven themselves to be truthful about that desire.

Given those facts, I am not sure of any other options the Israelis have.
This is remarkably shortsighted and lacking historical context. 

Things were not relatively peaceful for Palestinians living in what is essentially an open air prison or concentration camp in Gaza or Palestinians living in the occupied territories in the West Bank for nearly 60 fcking years. 

Given those facts, I am not sure of any other options the Palestinians have. (being a bit facetious of course)

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« Reply #31062 on: April 30, 2024, 03:31:57 PM »
Israel is only guilty of fighting a foe that murders its own people and uses them as human shields.


human shields, or more like Israel uses an AI computer program to predict who is a hamas militant and then waits for said suspected hamas militant (even if they can't actually verify the ai prediction with human intelligence) to go to their homes and then decide to just blow up the entire block? human shields. right. sounds to me like some bs propaganda just to justify the IDF killing of children by the tens of thousands. 


https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/

The IDF by the way bombed a fcking refugee camp in southern Gaza and killed a few hundred women and children all because they suspected one Hamas militant of being there- and the Israeli government wouldn't confirm if the militant was dead or if he was actually a Hamas militant. You can watch the exchange with Wolf Blitzer (not exactly a Palestinian sympathizer) and the IDF spokesmen on YouTube- it was live on CNN- and even Wolf Blitzer was appalled by this strike and by the IDF spokesmens response. 

Former CIA director Leon Panetta said and I quote, "the Israeli's shoot first and ask questions later" 


Former US Army Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson the former chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell in the Bush II administration said and I quote, that "the Israelis are patent liars" and says anything that comes from the IDF "is all propaganda."

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« Reply #31063 on: April 30, 2024, 03:34:56 PM »
What would be “right”?
Gee, I don't know. Maybe end the open air prison/concentration camp of Gaza and stop laying seige to that tiny strip of land with of your military (which they have done in perpetuity since 2005) and also maybe ending occupation of the West Bank, stop taking land for new settlements there. Israel just annexed another 2,000 acres in the West Bank for....new settlements in violation of international law.

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« Reply #31064 on: April 30, 2024, 03:35:23 PM »
Another complicating factor is that the Gaza Strip is a geopolitical phone booth. 24 miles long and 6 miles across, with a population density somewhere between New York and Seoul. 

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« Reply #31065 on: April 30, 2024, 03:36:17 PM »
Over 400,000 civilians died in Iraq and Afghanistan after 9/11. 
But it was us, so it was okay. 

We have a lot of people judging Israel here.  And none of you seem too eager to look in the mirror first.
Um, no, it was not OK. Whoever said that was OK? Bush and Cheney should've been taken to task for their crimes, but 'MERCIA, so of course they never were going to face judgement from anyone. 

And your god damn right I am judging Israel for it's 6+ decades long illegal occupation and settlement of Gaza and the West Bank and of it's decades long history of something that has been worse than apartheid and of it's continual disregard for the life of human beings just because they are Palestinian and of their continual mass slaughter of Palestinians- something that has been going on for motherf*cking DECADES. This shit did not start on October 7th. 

Israel would not be able to do what it does without the full-stop backing and support of the US economically, politically, and militarily. Americans have the right and more importantly the duty to speak out against that and to try and end it. Israel would not be able to slaughter children by the tens of thousands without the US. The US is directly complicit in these crimes.

 

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