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medinabuckeye1

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« Reply #24262 on: June 05, 2023, 12:27:40 PM »
1/3rd of our college degrees are meaningful
While I agree in one sense, I think a college degree in anything is often a "foot in the door" for many jobs that simply require one, in anything.  Someone told me to be a State Farm salesman you had to have a degree, for example.  My daughter majored in English and French and now is a software engineer.  And some get a degree in say polysci and go to law school and become highly successful injury lawyers making tens of thousands a year.
I'm with @FearlessF on this.

I do agree with @Cincydawg at least on an individual level that they are potentially useful to get "in the door" but on a societal level it is an enormous waste of time and productivity to sent 2/3 of HS graduates to college.

There are multiple issues here:
First is lack of appreciation for vocational education. This has long been a pet peeve of mine. A LOT of Americans would be MUCH better off to learn appliance repair (so they could fix @betarhoalphadelta 's dryer) or electrical (so they could run my kitchen circuits) or HVAC or auto repair than to learn college prep then sling coffee at Starbucks.

A second issue is that the ridiculous American focus on Graduation Rates has encouraged administrators to dumb things down in order to prop up their all-important graduation rates but this is ridiculous. Way too many kids are given diplomas and pushed out of HS which has made HS diplomas more-or-less meaningless which is why a lot of employers now require college degrees.

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« Reply #24263 on: June 05, 2023, 12:35:12 PM »
I don't think 2/3rds of college degrees are meaningless.  Some seem that way perhaps, but the graduates tend to find jobs if they wish.  The jobs might have little to do with their college degree.  Our HOA requires the manager to have a degree.  It's a pretty simple job, it pays decently, and the current manage is an idiot in my view.  But she has a degree, in something.  The folks who work at the front desk are a LOT smarter.

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« Reply #24264 on: June 05, 2023, 12:36:41 PM »
No doubt that plays a part of it, but why is it that almost all brands of appliances across all price points are built to the same shit standards ?  I’d bet the average lifespan of all new appliances is less than 7 years. Sad.
For the same reason that air travel is completely no-frills now with airlines that treat passengers like self-loading cargo. Because everyone looks FIRST at fare cost using online tools where you can see it all head-to-head and most would volunteer to sit out on the wing if it'd save $5 each way. So they do everything they can to take out cost so they can offer a lower fare on an online travel booking site. 

I don't think most consumers have enough knowledge of brand reliability that they make a purchase based on reliability rather than cost. So you get what you get. 

Different things.  A modern dryer is very complex and has multiple switches, computers, gadgets, things that can go wrong.  Heat is of course one problem for electronics.

This too. Heat is an absolute killer for electronics. Which makes it a lot harder to make something reliable that's designed to get, well, hot. 

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« Reply #24265 on: June 05, 2023, 12:39:55 PM »
I don't think 2/3rds of college degrees are meaningless.  Some seem that way perhaps, but the graduates tend to find jobs if they wish.  The jobs might have little to do with their college degree.  Our HOA requires the manager to have a degree.  It's a pretty simple job, it pays decently, and the current manage is an idiot in my view.  But she has a degree, in something.  The folks who work at the front desk are a LOT smarter.
makes my point
an idiot was handed a degree
the HOA would be better served hiring someone w/o that degree, who could better do the job
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« Reply #24266 on: June 05, 2023, 12:45:11 PM »
I don't think 2/3rds of college degrees are meaningless.  Some seem that way perhaps, but the graduates tend to find jobs if they wish.  The jobs might have little to do with their college degree.  Our HOA requires the manager to have a degree.  It's a pretty simple job, it pays decently, and the current manage is an idiot in my view.  But she has a degree, in something.  The folks who work at the front desk are a LOT smarter.
This is where you're having a blind spot, CD...

If "too many" people are getting college degrees, then it becomes easy for an employer to make that a check-box for jobs that really never "required" a college degree. They can put that as a job requirement knowing that it's one more piece of evidence that an employee is marginally responsible b/c they went to school for four more years successfully than someone w/o a degree. 

And because there's an oversupply of degreed candidates, they're not going to find themselves with a negative impact to their talent pool. There's a bunch of graduates out there trying to "find jobs" doing something, even if it has no relationship to what they studied in 4 years of college to earn an unnecessary degree. 

So yes, people with college degrees can find jobs. But if we had a much smaller portion of the population getting degrees, then fewer jobs would require them, and they could get those same jobs w/o spending 4 years and tens (or hundreds) of thousands of dollars for something not really necessary. 

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« Reply #24267 on: June 05, 2023, 12:50:02 PM »
The solution to this is a subpanel for the kitchen, in the kitchen somewhere. Is your stove and oven electric?
See above but also:
Range is electric but that is 240V so not interfering with anything else.

Also, the kitchen isn't the only place I need additional circuits. Actually it isn't even the most critical. I don't have any current electrical issues in the kitchen. When I remodel I want to keep it that way by adding a few new 20A circuits rather than tapping into the existing 15A circuits.

My most immediate electrical issue is that I installed an exhaust fan in the upstairs bathroom but I can't use the heat feature unless the other big draws on that circuit are all shut down.

Background:
My master bath did not have an exhaust fan when we bought the house. It had a light so I checked ad discovered that the light was wired with 12GA wire. I therefore assumed it was on as 20A circuit.

In retrospect it was a mistake to make that assumption. Legally you are NOT permitted to run 12GA downstream of 14GA but that is what existed in my house. It is 14GA from breaker box to switch then 12GA from switch to light*.

I put in a fancy exhaust fan with four features:
  • Fan
  • Light
  • Nightlight
  • Heat

Wife wanted this because she is perpetually cold.  The problem is that this is all on a 15A circuit that also powers the rest of the bathroom and half of the bedroom.

The heat will run on a 15A breaker, IIRC it is a 1,500 watt heater so that uses 12.5 Amps (1,500/120).  The problem is that only leaves 2.5 Amps for everything else on the circuit. That is NOT enough.


This is fairly easy to solve. I'm going to replace the existing breaker with a tandem 15A breaker and put the heat alone on one half leaving everything else on the other.

The problem is that I can't get there to run the wire!

*The preexisting light was an add on by a previous owner so I assume that they just didn't know the difference between 12GA and 14GA.

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« Reply #24268 on: June 05, 2023, 12:53:43 PM »
I still don't think 2/3rds of college degrees are useless.  If you said too many are, I'd agree.  

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« Reply #24269 on: June 05, 2023, 01:15:55 PM »
Different things.  A modern dryer is very complex and has multiple switches, computers, gadgets, things that can go wrong.  Heat is of course one problem for electronics.
Ah ha, therein lies the rub.  It doesn't really need all those extra bellz and whistles.  Some of it is for energy efficiency *cough*, and some of it is just because they know how to design them not to last.  

Really, is it all that complicated to run air over a heating element, tumble a drum with clothes in it, out a vent?  No.  

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« Reply #24270 on: June 05, 2023, 01:18:08 PM »
I still don't think 2/3rds of college degrees are useless.  If you said too many are, I'd agree. 

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"Useless" may not be the best term. And you're right, 2/3 is probably WAY too high of a number. But I think we have to ask "why is a student going to college, and is going to college necessary for their future life beyond degree requirements of employers?"

How many students would be better served with four years of job experience and income rather than 4 years of college and a lot of debt to pay off? 

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« Reply #24271 on: June 05, 2023, 01:26:10 PM »
Ah ha, therein lies the rub.  It doesn't really need all those extra bellz and whistles.  Some of it is for energy efficiency *cough*, and some of it is just because they know how to design them not to last. 

Really, is it all that complicated to run air over a heating element, tumble a drum with clothes in it, out a vent?  No. 
Sure, my 1968 Nova had no computer of course, no power anything, an AM radio, and a heater.  There wasn't much to break.  My wife's new dryer looks more like a space ship.  



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« Reply #24272 on: June 05, 2023, 01:29:00 PM »
I think for some employers a college degree means a person finished a project, they were able to get out of bed and apply some level of effort, and finished.  And yes, I'd guess said employer often would do a better job starting them four years earlier at "selling insurance" and  training them for that.

One big difference between us and Europe is how they really specialize in their degree field, they don't take "history" if they are chem majors.  And fewer go to college there, so those who do are better prepared and more selected.

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« Reply #24273 on: June 05, 2023, 01:31:35 PM »
This too. Heat is an absolute killer for electronics. Which makes it a lot harder to make something reliable that's designed to get, well, hot.
only supposed to get hot inside the drum
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« Reply #24274 on: June 05, 2023, 01:38:02 PM »
"Useless" may not be the best term. And you're right, 2/3 is probably WAY too high of a number. But I think we have to ask "why is a student going to college, and is going to college necessary for their future life beyond degree requirements of employers?"

How many students would be better served with four years of job experience and income rather than 4 years of college and a lot of debt to pay off?

Apprenticeships are becoming more and more popular. 
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« Reply #24275 on: June 05, 2023, 01:39:58 PM »
only supposed to get hot inside the drum
How does that work? As an electrical engineer, I'm going to advise against locating your electric heater element in the drum where it'll be exposed to constant water lol... In this dryer the heat element is underneath (and slightly to the side) of the drum, on the opposite side from the motor and power distribution circuit boards, so they're attempting to keep it as far away from the things that would be most hurt. 

But heat radiates. 

 

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