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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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GopherRock

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I would agree, if there was an actual war going on there.
It took 6 weeks for World War I to get going after the killing of Archduke Ferdinand. This shit isn't over yet, not by a long shot.

Also, Trump is in a much, much weaker position than GWB was in 2003.

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It took 6 weeks for World War I to get going after the killing of Archduke Ferdinand. This shit isn't over yet, not by a long shot.

Also, Trump is in a much, much weaker position than GWB was in 2003.
The USA is weaker (woker?) than it was in 2003.
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jgvol

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This shit isn't over yet, not by a long shot.



Fact check:  True.

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The price of oil and the market are fairly steady compared to their Friday close.  So far, the investors don't seem to be overly concerned about an Iranian response that would jeopardize supply in the area.

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I would agree, if there was an actual war going on there.
lol what are you talking about? the US has been in a cold war with Iran since 1979 because the people of Iran decided to commit the mortal sin of getting rid of the US's approved & backed brutal puppet dictator- and the US has been trying to do everything and anything in it's power since to undermine & topple that government short of full-scale invasion & occupation- everything short of that think of it- US has tried it.

The US was set to meet Iran for negotiations and Trump just gave the green light to Israel to assassinate all of their negotiators and then had US stealth bombers fly into Iranian air space and drop 30,000 pound bombs.

You are kidding yourself. We are at war. How in the actual fuck is dropping bombs on a country and then calling for regime change not "actual war"..... what would you say if a foreign country bombed US soil and then the leader of said foreign country started calling for regime change in the US on the worlds public square (twitter/X) and then has the son of the deposed brutal dictator make a speech about bringing democracy back....lmfao. Yeah....I think you'd say we're at war.....

This idea that Iran was any kind of credible threat to the United States is completely laughable. US President has no authority to just bomb them because he feels like it. Unless there is a credible imminent threat to the United States- he has to go to Congress to start warfare. He didn't. Time to impeach him. But of course the pathetic Democrats who tried to impeach him twice on absolute bullshit will not impeach him on this- because they are all blood thirsty warmongers who support this insanity.

Newsflash: the bombings were not effective, the Pentagon told Trump the conventional bunker buster bombs wouldn't penetrate deep enough to destroy these facilities that are buried 300+ feet under mountains and that only a tactical nuke would actually destroy them. This was nothing but a dog and pony show to try and get Iran to respond to what was outright US aggression so the US would have pretext to escalate into a regime change war. This is and always has been about one thing: regime change. Make no mistake about that.

And all it has done is what CIA told Bush II what air strikes on Iran would do in 2007- guarantee that Iran would drastically accelerate the pursuit of developing a nuclear weapon as a deterrent to bombing & invasion by the US. Iran has just kicked out the IAEA entirely and is pretty much guaranteed now to try and get a bomb. Great job Trump. You fucking imbecile.  

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The price of oil and the market are fairly steady compared to their Friday close.  So far, the investors don't seem to be overly concerned about an Iranian response that would jeopardize supply in the area.
I've been tracking this and it didn't increase nearly as much as I expected when the Israelis attacked Iran then everything since then seems to have been more-or-less already "priced in".  

I figure I don't know all that much about what is going on over there and I don't trust the Iranians, the Israelis, or the US Government so my surest source is Oil Futures.  If they spike, that means those guys think it is going to be bad.  If they don't, probably not.  

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I have a different POV on "an actual war", and it's a lot more than limited air strikes (which the US does under every Administration of late, even Clinton bombed a pharmaceutical plant).

We could find ourselves in one of course, but at this point Iran's options are pretty limited.


Mdot21

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The USA is weaker (woker?) than it was in 2003.
yeah I guess it was pretty "woke" of us to go around the world bombing, invading, and occupying foreign nations to give them democracy and freedom. 



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I have a different POV on "an actual war", and it's a lot more than limited air strikes (which the US does under every Administration of late, even Clinton bombed a pharmaceutical plant).

We could find ourselves in one of course, but at this point Iran's options are pretty limited.
a) you are kidding yourself if you think those are the only air strikes the US will conduct in Iran. 

b) dropping bombs on people = an act of war, period. 

Just because the US didn't invade and occupy Syria & Libya like they did Afghanistan & Iraq does not mean that the US was not at war with Syria & Libya, they were. War does not just mean massive land forces on the ground & occupation.

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I don't view this yet as an "actual war".    It's one air strike.  I don't know what will happen in the future, I see Iran is lobbing missiles at some of our bases.


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I don't view this yet as an "actual war".    It's one air strike.  I don't know what will happen in the future, I see Iran is lobbing missiles at some of our bases.



The AP didn't get the memo.  Nor did The Guardian.  Or any other media outlet for that matter.


https://apnews.com/article/israel-iran-war-nuclear-trump-bomber-news-06-22-2025-c2baca52babe915e033ae175ce8b2687 


https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/23/israel-iran-war-live-updates-us-trump-regime-change-middle-east-gaza-latest-news 

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When the US took out Sulemani, Iran countered by lobbing some missiles at the base in Iran, and that ended it.

Iran has its hands more than full with just Israel.  My GUESS is they are repeating what they did last time, for show.

I may be too optimistic though.


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I'd call the Israeli-Iranian thing pretty much an "actual war".  The US-Iranian thing, not, in my view.


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A spokesperson for the Qatari Minister of Foreign Affairs said in a statement that Qatari air defenses “thwarted the attack and successfully intercepted the Iranian missiles.”
The spokesperson also condemned the strikes, saying Qatar “reserves the right to respond directly in a manner proportional to the nature and scale of this blatant aggression and in accordance with international law” and that Qatar considers the strikes “a flagrant violation of the State of Qatar’s sovereignty and airspace, as well as of international law and the United Nations Charter.”
Qatari officials had closed the nation’s airspace in anticipation of the strikes, citing “concern for the safety of citizens, residents, and visitors.”



 

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