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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45346 on: June 13, 2025, 06:34:25 PM »
On climate change claims, the media in part and Al Gore in specific hyped this up like it was a Hollywood movie.  The actual SCIENTISTS were never projecting that sort of hyperbole, in general.  I've commented before about how the changes predicted in sea levels are not that draconian, they would be a concern for sure, but it's not like anyone real is saying they'd be 20 feet higher.

The same is true for global temperature.  I fault the media (duh) and the scaremongers.  I'd say every media report I've ever seen about some scientific area I know perhaps something about is way over hyped.  It's akin to see Ohio State beating Michigan by 33-24 and the headline is "Buckeyes destroy Michigan". 

And yes, this does lead to discounting "experts", understandably, when often the media just got it flat wrong what experts were saying.  Experts are boring.  Boring doesn't generate clicks.
Right, the scientists just go by the data.  And their data said 100-150 years out there'd be some troubles beginning.  
I think the others who ran with it knew the masses wouldn't give a shit about 150 years into the future.  They embellished so that the masses would take the issue seriously.  
It's not proper to do so, but it's to get the masses to show the appropriate level of concern (vs not giving a shit at all).
I view it similarly to Fauci's trying to save masks for front-line workers during COVID.  He was afraid the masses would act irrationally (fair) and so he embellished to avoid that.

It's obviously for a reason, but it's a bad idea.  I'd probably be guilty of a similar idea, given a position of power.  My lack of faith in the masses acting prudently is well-known here.
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45347 on: June 13, 2025, 06:49:08 PM »
as usual you have zero clue of what you speak of. par for the course though really with you.

I thank the god I don't believe in that we disagree on this.  It doubles my confidence in my opinion.
If Israel had it's way, each middle eastern country would chill, get along, and trade with each other.  Respecting each other's borders and cultures in peace.

If Hamas had it's way, every Jewish person would be dead and Israel wouldn't exist.  Iran IS Hamas, basically.  
Iran poses zero threat to the US.  
This is a good thing, if violence can ever be good.  
Fuck Hamas.  Fuck Iran.  
You keep on insulting the country who simply wants to exist.
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45348 on: June 13, 2025, 06:50:55 PM »
I thank the god I don't believe in that we disagree on this.  It doubles my confidence in my opinion.
If Israel had it's way, each middle eastern country would chill, get along, and trade with each other.  Respecting each other's borders and cultures in peace.

If Hamas had it's way, every Jewish person would be dead and Israel wouldn't exist.  Iran IS Hamas, basically. 
Iran poses zero threat to the US. 
This is a good thing, if violence can ever be good. 
Fuck Hamas.  Fuck Iran. 
You keep on insulting the country who simply wants to exist.

And, if Iran had its way every American would be dead. 
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45349 on: June 13, 2025, 07:00:56 PM »
So Iran is well down the path of enriching uranium- and not far from producing their nuclear capability.
Iran has said- and continues to openly state their goal of wiping out Israel.    No secret there.

The attempt was made to get this solved through negotiations.  Iran won’t budge.  So now Israel targets nuclear facilities and personnel while Iran is firing hundreds of missiles at civilians in Tel-Aviv.

Are you suggesting that Israel should just wait to be nuked?  How should they handle this?
so this is just wrong from A to Z and I don't even know where to begin. 

first of all Iran does not possess nuclear weapons and they were not close to possessing nuclear weapons. And there is no credible evidence to suggest that they were close. The DoD declassified a report on Iran's nuclear weapons program- you can read it yourself- and in it they state Iran is not close to acquiring nuclear weapons and that Iran's goal should it go that route is one as a deterrent to prevent a US invasion. Basically word for word- I will find it and link it to you. 

secondly Benzion Mileikowsky and his psychopathic ruling Lukid party- which by the way is an Israeli political party that was literally founded by a terrorist Menachem Begin- and whose founding pre-dates Hamas by 14 years and whose charter literally states there will never be a two state solution and that "from the river to the sea there will only be Israeli sovereignty" - that's word for word - has been saying since the early 1980s that Iran is weeks or months away from acquiring a nuclear weapon. it's only been oh- 40 plus fucking years of those scumbags lying about this and it's never come true. go figure. I can link you video after video of this piece of lying shit going to Congress since the early 1990's and lying through his teeth time and time again about Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya all in order to get the US to help his psychopathic ass invade, bomb, destabilize those countries. And our stupid fucking politicians have done his bidding and harmed this country in that process. None of which helped this country- all of which hurt this country- and benefited no one in the United States. That piece of shit was lying then- and he's lying now- because that's all that he is- a lying blood thirsty psychopath. 

thirdly- Iran does not recognize Israel as a legitimate state and Iranian officials have called for "putting an end to the Zionist regime" this does not = Iran is going to wipe out Israel. a) they have never stated such intention and b) they have no way to do this- they are a 3rd rate power. This is nothing but bullshit and propaganda you have fallen for and are parroting with the "Iran wants to wipe Israel out" line. has Iran supported groups like Hezbollah or Hamas- there is no doubt. but a) Iran did not play a hand in founding either of those groups, they were created as direct responses to Israeli aggression. In the case of Hezbollah they were founded after Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982. As far as Hamas goes- well you see Israel has been militarily occupying Gaza and the West Bank since 1967 and in 1987 after 20 years of enduring a brutal and humiliating occupation a bunch of militant radicalized Palestinians formed Hamas as a response to Israel's military occupation of their people. Oh and Hamas = Suni and well the Iranians are Shia and well Sunni does not like Shia so much- so it's not as if these guys are the best of friends or agree on much other than Israel. And to be frank if you want to go the "Iran supports Hamas" route- newsflash: no one has done more to prop up Hamas and fund Hamas than Benzion Mileikowsky and his psychopathic government which has facilitated the transfer of billions of dollars to Hamas. Benzion Mileikowsky has stated time and time again that his goal is to use Hamas to drive a wedge between Gaza and the West Bank. The reporting and sourcing on all this has been well documented beyond. 

last I checked Iran is not currently occupying parts of it's neighbors like Syria and Lebanon- oh wait that's Israel. Last I checked Iran is not an apartheid ethnostate that has been military occupying Gaza and the West Bank since 1967- oh wait that's Israel. Last I checked Iran did not completely level and virtually destroy all of Gaza and slaughter who knows how many tens of thousands of innocent children and women all while laying siege to the most starved at risk children in the world and blockade food & medicine. Oh wait...that's Israel. Last I checked Iran did not just announce 22 new illegal settlement encampments according to international law in the West Bank of occupied Palestinian land- oh wait that's right that's Israeli government. Last I checked Iranian cabinet members were not calling for the complete ethnic cleansing of a people- oh wait that's right that was Israeli cabinet members Ben Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich who openly stated Israel's intentions to wipe out Palestinian towns and ethnic cleanse Gaza and the West Bank.

I don't really see your point. The negotiations were obviously bullshit- it's pretty obvious now that Trump was not serious about them and that the War Hawks in his inner circle won out. Trump after all was a fool for ripping up the Obama deal- and this has lead to the situation that we are in now. And Iran was always going to respond to an outright act of aggression by the Israelis. What did you expect? That they weren't going to send missiles back? 

Israel was never going to get nuked. This is such obvious bullshit. Israel itself has hundreds of high yield nukes and any country trying to nuke them would be nuked and vaporized in return...M.A.D. 

And how should Israel handle this? To be honest with you- I don't really fucking care how they handle this- just leave our country out of it. We can stop sending them weapons and money and intelligence and they can do whatever the fuck they like on their own. They are a rich, highly developed, advanced nation with an advanced military and high-tech industries. They can take care of themselves. Just leave the United State the fuck out of their psychopathic bullshit. 

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45350 on: June 13, 2025, 07:02:05 PM »
I thank the god I don't believe in that we disagree on this.  It doubles my confidence in my opinion.
If Israel had it's way, each middle eastern country would chill, get along, and trade with each other.  Respecting each other's borders and cultures in peace.

If Hamas had it's way, every Jewish person would be dead and Israel wouldn't exist.  Iran IS Hamas, basically. 
Iran poses zero threat to the US. 
This is a good thing, if violence can ever be good. 
Fuck Hamas.  Fuck Iran. 
You keep on insulting the country who simply wants to exist.
yeah, as usual you know absolutely nothing about the topic of which you speak. Dunning-Kruger effect much? 

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45351 on: June 13, 2025, 07:02:31 PM »
And, if Iran had its way every American would be dead.
Lulz. This is propaganda. Stop falling for it please.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45352 on: June 13, 2025, 07:05:41 PM »
Right, the scientists just go by the data.  And their data said 100-150 years out there'd be some troubles beginning. 
I think the others who ran with it knew the masses wouldn't give a shit about 150 years into the future.  They embellished so that the masses would take the issue seriously. 
It's not proper to do so, but it's to get the masses to show the appropriate level of concern (vs not giving a shit at all).
I view it similarly to Fauci's trying to save masks for front-line workers during COVID.  He was afraid the masses would act irrationally (fair) and so he embellished to avoid that.

It's obviously for a reason, but it's a bad idea.  I'd probably be guilty of a similar idea, given a position of power.  My lack of faith in the masses acting prudently is well-known here.
The only conceivable reason anyone should give a shit about what's going to happen 150 years into the future is if they have descendants that will be living in that world. As a proud childless bachelor it is somewhat comical that you get so worked up about what's going to happen in 150 years. It would make a lot more sense for you to be a "watch the world burn" type. 

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45353 on: June 13, 2025, 07:05:53 PM »
Ok.  I will ignore that I saw on TV today, the ayatollah saying “death to America and death to Israel.  😒
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45354 on: June 13, 2025, 07:11:50 PM »

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45355 on: June 13, 2025, 07:15:20 PM »
Ok.  I will ignore that I saw on TV today, the ayatollah saying “death to America and death to Israel.  😒
cool. you should probably stop ignoring Israel's 58 years long occupation and illegal land grabs in the West Bank and their complete and utter destruction of Gaza and the displacement of nearly 2 million people. 

but someone said words......

FYI you do realize the "death to America" chant is nothing but a tool of propaganda to get support for their regime by painting America as the bad guy, right? when has Iran ever actually hit the US? invaded or occupied a neighboring country? oh yeah, never....even though they have every reason of a thousand suns to hate us- considering we overthrew their secular democratically elected government in 1953 with our CIA and then helped install and prop up a brutal military dictatorship puppet for nearly 30 years. oh yeah not to mention armed and funded Saddam Hussein to the teeth in the Iran-Iraq War which cost the lives hundreds of thousands of Iranians. Not gonna lie if I was an Iranian- I'd fucking hate America too. 

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« Reply #45356 on: June 13, 2025, 07:25:43 PM »
You may be right.   

Still- if someone repeatedly says death to Honest Buckeye , and then they get a gun, I might strike preemptively. 
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45357 on: June 13, 2025, 07:57:23 PM »
You may be right. 

Still- if someone repeatedly says death to Honest Buckeye , and then they get a gun, I might strike preemptively.
I hear you. But they don't have a gun and weren't close to getting one, per declassified DoD reports and the DNI's threat assessment released in March 2025.

excuse me if I believe the US DoD and US intelligence on the situation a great deal more than the Israeli propaganda which has been saying for 40+ years that Iran is just "weeks away" from the Nuke. God damn 40 years worth of weeks is a lot.


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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45358 on: June 13, 2025, 08:03:37 PM »
The only conceivable reason anyone should give a shit about what's going to happen 150 years into the future is if they have descendants that will be living in that world. As a proud childless bachelor it is somewhat comical that you get so worked up about what's going to happen in 150 years. It would make a lot more sense for you to be a "watch the world burn" type.
I'm sorry that I'm not the caricature you wish I was?!?  lol
This is brutally limited thinking - as if I may only care about future humans who carry my genes.  HUH?!?  What madness is that?  What mindset would suggest that?!?  

It's sad.
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #45359 on: June 14, 2025, 07:21:19 AM »
I think it is generally accepted that Iran had enriched uranium to 60% 235 and had kgs of the stuff, which doesn't make a lot of sense if they just need it for reactors or medical work.

Anyway, Israel acted, based on their intelligence, which probably is greater than my own.

 

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