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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #38920 on: November 05, 2024, 08:56:06 PM »
I like the term.  

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« Reply #38921 on: November 05, 2024, 09:26:32 PM »
I like the term. 
Old Elbridge would be proud!

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« Reply #38922 on: November 05, 2024, 09:29:14 PM »
Typically the party doing it
The parties doing it have been in favor ever since Governor Elbridge Gerry figured out that he could stuff most of Massachusetts' Federalists into one vaguely Salamander-shaped district. 

The Federalist Newspaper in Boston decisively called the district a Gerry-Mander and now you know the history of the term.

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« Reply #38923 on: November 05, 2024, 09:32:46 PM »
Here in my (Republican) County:

  • Moreno is running ~6 points behind Trump. That tells me that the Ohio US Senate race will be CLOSE. 
  • Issue 1 (the aforementioned Gerrymander issue): The (Republican) position (no) is running 5 points behind Trump, I think that issue might actually fail.


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« Reply #38924 on: November 05, 2024, 10:15:45 PM »
Out of curiosity I assume we could have AI divide states into population equal districts, without bias.  Id be curious to see if anyone has done that, and how things would change. 

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« Reply #38925 on: November 05, 2024, 10:22:39 PM »
Out of curiosity I assume we could have AI divide states into population equal districts, without bias.  Id be curious to see if anyone has done that, and how things would change.
This would almost certainly favor Republicans.  

It doesn't sound like it would since it is AI and "without bias" but in our current configuration "without bias" favors Republicans.  Here is why:

Let's say that Ohio was still a battleground, 50/50 State like it was up until at least 2004.  Now just to make the math simpler lets pretend that Ohio had a slightly larger population such that they got 20 congressional districts.  

Ok, in theory since Ohio is a 50/50 State and they have 20 districts there *SHOULD* be 10 that lean Republican and 10 that lean Democratic.  

That is great in theory but in practice the Democrats are nearly always more condensed.  In Ohio you have parts of Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, Toledo, Dayton, and Akron that are basically 80%+ Democratic while the rest of the state is something like 60% Republican.  

If you completely ignored partisanship and simply drew geographically compact districts what you would almost always end up with is a relatively small number of overwhelmingly Democratic districts centered on the big cities and a much larger number of less strongly Republican districts everywhere else.  

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« Reply #38926 on: November 05, 2024, 10:23:57 PM »
I think my favorite candidates are the ones who didn't realize they were going to make it this far, and the photos they use on national television look like driver's license photos

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« Reply #38927 on: November 05, 2024, 11:34:25 PM »
Zero posts about the election?  Really?  We’ve been discussing this ad nausem for 6 months, if not years.  


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« Reply #38928 on: November 05, 2024, 11:35:59 PM »
Zero posts about the election?  Really?  We’ve been discussing this ad nausem for 6 months, if not years. 


There is an election??😴
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« Reply #38929 on: November 06, 2024, 12:20:56 AM »
I had my students gerrymander Arizona yesterday.  They'll remember what it means and know that it's bad.  
Job well done.
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« Reply #38930 on: November 06, 2024, 12:26:01 AM »
Districts could easily be equal, but it would look crazy.

You'd have a bunch of guitar pick shapes centered around every large city, incorporating a tiny bit of the city at the tip of the pick and incorporating a large swath of rural area connected to it.
Like pizza slices centered around a city in the center.

It would come down solely to voter turnout.  
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« Reply #38931 on: November 06, 2024, 01:10:04 AM »
Zero posts about the election?  Really?  We’ve been discussing this ad nausem for 6 months, if not years. 
Looking at the maps, it looks to me like it comes down to three B1G states: Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. Harris needs a sweep, Trump needs one of the three.

Does that appear to be correct?

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« Reply #38932 on: November 06, 2024, 05:05:17 AM »
I think my favorite candidates are the ones who didn't realize they were going to make it this far, and the photos they use on national television look like driver's license photos
In 2020 in the local prosecutor's race, one of the candidates had a stroke during the campaign, and they had to dig up a picture of him. It looked like a polaroid they found in an old shoebox. He won.

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« Reply #38933 on: November 06, 2024, 06:38:28 AM »
This is the way I see it. And, just as a reminder, I did not vote for Trump in 2016 or 2020 and I’m certainly no fan of his.

-Democrats were so eager to put a woman in the White House they pretty much skipped the whole democratic process. You know, the one where people run for office and get to campaign and win votes and let the best candidates win. Kinda ironic considering they call themselves the Democratic Party, don’t you think?

-They banked on Trump being unpopular enough that voters would overlook Harris’s shortcomings and vote for anybody except Trump.

-The public as a whole is very angry about how Biden/Harris have handled the border. As they should be.

- Their lawfare against Trump failed, and possibly made him stronger. Everybody could see from a mile away that much of it was trumped up bullshit that should have never seen the light of day. There’s no doubt he’s done a lot of shady shit. Bottom line is nobody really cares.


 

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