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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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medinabuckeye1

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #36652 on: August 23, 2024, 03:02:24 PM »
I think the idea is that both issues will trend heavier to drive voter turnout for voters who REALLY care about those issues, and that there is enough of a correlation between opinion on those issues and party affiliation that it'll boost D turnout more than R turnout, giving a boost to the Ds.

Much like in 2004 there was a concerted R strategy to get gay marriage initiatives on the ballot in many states, thinking that the people who were REALLY against gay marriage would be highly motivated to make it to the polls, and that the turnout advantage would help the Rs.
This is yet another result of the polarization.  

Years ago (basically pre-2004) everything in politics was about appealing to the "middle voter".  The basic theory was:
Pick an issue, say abortion.  If you lined up all 300-some-Million Americans from the most radically pro-choice on the far left to the most radically pro-life on the far right then went to the exact middle of that line you'd find someone whose view of the issue was (speculating, no idea where exactly the "middle voter" would be):
  • Felt the line should be at 27 weeks (roughly end of 2nd trimester)
  • Abortion more-or-less unlimited prior to that line, more-or-less prohibited after
  • Parental notification with limited judicial exceptions
  • Exceptions for Rape, Incest, life or health of the mother, or severe disability of the child
So prior to 2004 or so the general rule in politics was that you wanted to appeal to that "middle voter" and if you were successful at that, you'd get either:
  • A majority made up of the "middle voter" and everyone to the right of them if you were an R, or
  • A majority made up of the "middle voter" and everyone to the left of them if you were a D.  

This theory inherently had a moderating influence on parties/policies because basically the theory was that whichever party was farthest from the "middle voter" would alienate the "middle voter" and thus lose, Ie:
  • If the D's pushed for abortion on demand paid for at taxpayer expense up until the umbilical cord was cut with no parental notification and the R's pushed for a line at 20 weeks instead of 27, the theory was that the "middle voter" would be more comfortable with the R's slight (seven week) deviation than with the D's 13 week deviation and addition of taxpayer expense.  
  • Conversely, if the R's pushed for a total prohibition on abortion and severe limits on BC while the D's pushed for a line at 34 weeks, the theory was that the "middle voter" would be more comfortable with the D's slight (seven week) deviation than with the R's 27 week deviation and more.   
In the immediate above example, note that the party that wins is the party that stays closest to the center.  

Then 2000 and 2004 happened.  Gore in 2000 focused more on turnout than on appealing to the middle voter and it almost worked.  It actually did work with regard to the popular vote but the problem for Gore was that a lot of the extra voters that his campaign turned out were in non-competitive states so all they did was give him a bigger margin of victory in states he won and a smaller margin of defeat in states that he didn't have a chance in.  

The Bush people saw what Gore's team had done in 2000 and basically said "we can do better than that" so they spent a substantial amount of campaign resources on various "outreach coordinators".  These people went into Conservative areas and basically "beat the bushes" looking to make sure that the conservatives actually voted.  For example, prior to 2004 I never saw Republican campaign tables at Gun Shows.  Since 2004 you see them at EVERY gun show unless they are specifically prohibited.  

This worked really well for Bush in 2004 and basically every campaign since has gone with this theory.  Nobody really talks about the "middle voter" anymore, instead everybody simply focuses on Registration and GOTV drives in an effort to make sure their side shows up.  

The problem is that unlike the previous theory which had an inherently moderating influence, this new theory inherently radicalizes because you don't excite your side with wonky discussions of 20 vs 34 week bans, you excite your side with fire-breathing radicalism.  

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #36655 on: August 23, 2024, 03:34:16 PM »
One thing about polarized voters is they "participate", if they are angry, they donate etc.  If they aren't angry and incensed, maybe they vote your way, but they don't volunteer.  So, both parties are incented to keep us all as angry as possible, after all, if we vote in those other guys, the world will end.  We'll have fascism, war, economic collapse, and even worse, COMMUNISM!!!!  Only our side can save us!

So, VOTE for my side and send money and volunteer!  This is the MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF OUR LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #36656 on: August 23, 2024, 03:41:01 PM »
The worm has turned
tehehe....except those parasitic worms are common- even in the US- often from eating under coked pork or beef- and many times they migrate to the brain. https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2024-05-08/just-how-common-are-brain-worms-like-rfk-jr-s

you sound a bit...mad maybe? if you cared to take your head out of the sand and listen to the speech at all, it's fantastic. one of the only honest politicians you know, actually talking about the major issues of our time that I've seen and not just speaking in meaningless platitudes like that fucking retarded lady last night who accept her parties nomination at the DNC.

dude is dropping truth bomb after truth bomb just fucking shredded the DNC and their retarded cackling bitch nominee in half. 

This was worst case scenario for the libtards. RFK Jr was eating from Trump in the swing states. Those voters are going to Trump now. The election is over. Trump just won. 


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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #36657 on: August 23, 2024, 03:44:46 PM »
The US Senate is not in play for the Democrats this year.
I'm seeing current projection of:
  • 48 D's and I's who caucus with D's
  • 50 R's
  • 2 toss-ups.  
But they are including Ohio as a toss-up and I don't think it is, I'm fairly certain that incumbent D Sherrod Brown will be reelected.  


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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #36658 on: August 23, 2024, 03:46:37 PM »
A politician can of course be honest as well as looney.


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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #36659 on: August 23, 2024, 03:51:13 PM »
Here's a nice scenario, for me anyway, the EC ends up tied at 269.  The House elects Harris President
While this is theoretically possible I don't think it is plausible.  If the House elects the President they vote by State Delegation and the R's have a pretty solid advantage there that is unlikely to be in jeopardy anytime soon.  

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #36660 on: August 23, 2024, 04:18:00 PM »
Yeah switch it around. 

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #36662 on: August 23, 2024, 04:47:45 PM »
What happens if the Senate is 50-50?  Usually, the VP would break the tie, but in this case, the vote is to decide who is VP.

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #36663 on: August 23, 2024, 04:52:11 PM »


I'll check it out, someday, maybe.

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #36664 on: August 23, 2024, 05:07:10 PM »
he's ranked as a top 50 player overall in the 2025 class in the 247Composite rankings. They have 9 players ranked in the top 100 of the 2025 class and the #5 class in the country right now and are expected to flip 5* QB Deuce Knight from Notre Dame and move up to the #4 class in the country. 5-7 every year, Hugh Freeze ain't ever won shit but LFG! #NIL


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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #36665 on: August 23, 2024, 05:15:01 PM »

 

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