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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #33376 on: June 20, 2024, 03:19:44 PM »
Not all of them will vote Dem.

Cubans and Venezuelans Hattians fleeing socialism will not vote for a party that wants it.

There is a reason the US Coast Guard has been returning those people to their countries (probably to be jailed or killed) as they attempt to come via sea, while DHS keeps the Southern and Northern borders flowing.

DeSantis carried Miami-Dade in 2022, the first time in decades that an R carried that county. 

It's not hard to know why.

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« Reply #33377 on: June 20, 2024, 03:34:40 PM »
You mention the Berlin Wall being effective....which was under 100 miles long and heavily, HEAVILY guarded.  That's like comparing an apple to an airplane.  I guess we'd have an effective wall if guys with machine guns were stationed every 50 yards or so....for 2,000 miles.  How we paying for that? 
The Berlin Wall was part of what amounted to a Prison Fence that was in fact longer than the Southern Border of the US. By only considering the part around West Berlin you ignore the fact that the Berlin Wall would have been 100% ineffective if the Eastern Block inmates had been able to traverse the Iron Curtain anywhere along the East-West border between, as someone famous put it "Settin on the Baltic to Trieste on the Adriatic.

The pro-immivasion argument that walls are either completely ineffective or not completely effective so therefore they are silly is patently ridiculous. 

I can't make my house 100% impossible to break into and by your logic that means that I should leave the front door open.

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« Reply #33378 on: June 20, 2024, 03:39:09 PM »
I cited the Berlin Wall solely as an example of a wall that mostly worked, not as an example of something we should emulate.  I thought that was pretty obvious to any reader.  Walls or barriers are deterrents, like the Maginot Line was a deterrent.  They aren't meant to be perfect.

We have several layers of "wall" in our condo that aren't literally walls (there is one wall to the north).  They are meant as deterrents, making it difficult to access the building and cause problems.  I would ask Border Patrol agents what is needed in their area so they can do their job better, and listen.  In some areas, we probably need nothing, or next to nothing.

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« Reply #33379 on: June 20, 2024, 03:52:09 PM »
I'd say the wall could be effective. Just at great cost. And the upside is because of it business would go down. Anytime you can pay extra to make yourself poorer I say go for it.

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« Reply #33380 on: June 20, 2024, 04:01:30 PM »
I can't make my house 100% impossible to break into and by your logic that means that I should leave the front door open.
Someone could break into my house, I suppose, even with hurricane windows, steel doors and concrete construction.

Their problem would be getting out.

Maybe I'll sign up for border patrol. :72:
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« Reply #33381 on: June 20, 2024, 04:04:13 PM »
Someone could break into my house, I suppose, even with hurricane windows, steel doors and concrete construction.

Their problem would be getting out.

Maybe I'll sign up for border patrol. :72:
Id wait until after Nov when you will get support
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« Reply #33382 on: June 20, 2024, 05:33:15 PM »
The Berlin Wall was part of what amounted to a Prison Fence that was in fact longer than the Southern Border of the US. By only considering the part around West Berlin you ignore the fact that the Berlin Wall would have been 100% ineffective if the Eastern Block inmates had been able to traverse the Iron Curtain anywhere along the East-West border between, as someone famous put it "Settin on the Baltic to Trieste on the Adriatic.

The pro-immivasion argument that walls are either completely ineffective or not completely effective so therefore they are silly is patently ridiculous.

I can't make my house 100% impossible to break into and by your logic that means that I should leave the front door open.
So you prefer the illusion over the reality.  Got it.

If you build a wall, then you can pat each other on the ass and feel like you accomplished something.  That's the main thing.
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« Reply #33383 on: June 20, 2024, 05:52:03 PM »
So you prefer the illusion over the reality.  Got it.

If you build a wall, then you can pat each other on the ass and feel like you accomplished something.  That's the main thing.
and your main thing is dont let Trump succeed no metter what
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« Reply #33384 on: June 20, 2024, 06:02:41 PM »
and your main thing is dont let Trump succeed no metter what
No one has to get in the way.  He's a car with square wheels.  
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« Reply #33385 on: June 20, 2024, 06:16:07 PM »
No one has to get in the way.  He's a car with square wheels. 
considering who we have now as President thats a pretty bold statement

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« Reply #33386 on: June 20, 2024, 06:24:41 PM »
considering who we have now as President thats a pretty bold statement


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« Reply #33387 on: June 20, 2024, 06:30:10 PM »
That may be true.  But Biden cares more about 1.5 people on the planet.  

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« Reply #33388 on: June 20, 2024, 07:22:46 PM »
That may be true.  But Biden cares more about 1.5 people on the planet. 


what the hell does that mean

no understand
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« Reply #33389 on: June 20, 2024, 11:19:41 PM »
I guess we'd have an effective wall if guys with machine guns were stationed every 50 yards or so....for 2,000 miles.  How we paying for that? 
we're paying plenty of guys with machine guns today and will be in the next decade
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