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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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« Reply #32942 on: June 13, 2024, 12:19:39 PM »
The crime spike obviously was a lot more than car theft.

And it likely had multiple causes, including lack of policing.


There was no crime spike. There was a spike in homicides. The raft of stolen cars certainly impacted property crime statistics , though overall crime didn't increase, at least according to FBI statistics.

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« Reply #32943 on: June 13, 2024, 12:21:57 PM »
How could you guarantee such a thing?  I'd "guarantee" they are mostly annoyed at the silly protest.

But maybe somehow magically we'll see some new raft of legislation on climate change?  I think not.  It's silly.  They should go play in traffic.
But see, it isn't magic. Annoyed or not, they are now thinking about it. That's the magic of protests, which is to get an issue immediately into the minds of people. There seems to be some conflating here between something being done and everything being done, and if somehow everything isn't done then nothing was done. That is am error in logic.

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« Reply #32944 on: June 13, 2024, 12:23:46 PM »
There was no crime spike. There was a spike in homicides. The raft of stolen cars certainly impacted property crime statistics , though overall crime didn't increase, at least according to FBI statistics.
how do they measure crime

Isnt it by how many of which type of crime was committed?

If you have these stats could you post it
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #32947 on: June 13, 2024, 12:27:59 PM »
But see, it isn't magic. Annoyed or not, they are now thinking about it. That's the magic of protests, which is to get an issue immediately into the minds of people. There seems to be some conflating here between something being done and everything being done, and if somehow everything isn't done then nothing was done. That is am error in logic.
No, they aren't thinking about it.  They are just annoyed.  Many likely had no clue what was being protested.  

If anybody is thinking about it, they likely are thinking negatively about it.

And obviously the protests will result in squat other than a night in jail for a few folks.

To me, "thinking about it" would mean "Huh, I didn't know this was such an issue, let me go read up on it and THINK about it some more." 

If folks want to protest peacefully, have at it.  I'm under no illusion it will change anything beyond some very very rare cases where public opinion is swayed and that takes a MAJOR issue of concern to a lot of folks.


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« Reply #32948 on: June 13, 2024, 12:31:18 PM »
how do they measure crime
2023 marks third highest year for homicides in Columbus | 10tv.com

This is just homicide, which usually tracks other violent crimes, assault etc.  Both go up, or down, hand in hand.


  • 2022: 131
  • 2021: 189
  • 2020: 158
  • 2019: 99

This is pretty typical for larger cities in the US.  Rates jumped in 2020-2 and fortunately now are starting to ebb.  


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« Reply #32949 on: June 13, 2024, 12:32:14 PM »
Isnt that for the entire country

I thought the location in question was Columbus
Are you telling me you care about the crime rate of Columbus, Ohio? https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/crime/2024/01/25/how-safe-is-columbus-ohio-police-look-at-2023-crime-by-the-numbers/72242911007/ is in part talking about it, though that is mostly from 2022-23.

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« Reply #32950 on: June 13, 2024, 12:33:01 PM »

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This is just homicide, which usually tracks other violent crimes, assault etc.  Both go up, or down, hand in hand.
This may no longer be the case. Homicides and other crimes have not tracked recently.

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« Reply #32951 on: June 13, 2024, 12:40:01 PM »
There was no crime spike. There was a spike in homicides. The raft of stolen cars certainly impacted property crime statistics , though overall crime didn't increase, at least according to FBI statistics.
I read recently that some cities have stopped reporting to the FBI. I'll see if I can find a link to the stories.
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« Reply #32952 on: June 13, 2024, 12:41:52 PM »
But see, it isn't magic. Annoyed or not, they are now thinking about it. That's the magic of protests, which is to get an issue immediately into the minds of people. There seems to be some conflating here between something being done and everything being done, and if somehow everything isn't done then nothing was done. That is am error in logic.
Protests can have many effects. One of which is to annoy people and have them move further away from the issue than they were in the first place.
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #32953 on: June 13, 2024, 12:46:09 PM »
There most definitely was a spike in violent crime, including murders, nationally.

It's starting to abate.  And murder and assault rates tend to mirror each other for obvious reasons.  One goes up, so does the other.

Crime in the U.S.: Key questions answered | Pew Research Center

In 2020, for example, the U.S. murder rate saw its [color=var(--wp--preset--color--ui-link-color)]largest single-year increase on record[/color] – and by 2022, it remained considerably higher than before the coronavirus pandemic. Preliminary data for 2023, however, suggests that [color=var(--wp--preset--color--ui-link-color)]the murder rate fell substantially last year[/color].

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« Reply #32954 on: June 13, 2024, 12:46:11 PM »
Protests can have many effects. One of which is to annoy people and have them move further away from the issue than they were in the first place.
I mean, sure, that could happen. But the idea that they are useless or don't have any impact on anything isn't based in reality.

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« Reply #32955 on: June 13, 2024, 12:47:06 PM »

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There most definitely was a spike in violent crime, including murders, nationally.
Not really

 

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