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Topic: In other news (apolitical thread)...

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #1316 on: May 07, 2025, 11:20:14 AM »

Occasionally I read some "career advice" thing "in the news", and nearly always think "I guess I was out of touch, or something."

HR exec: Avoid this job interview mistake that makes it look like you don't care
HR exec: Avoid this job interview mistake that makes it look like you don't care


I always rolled my eyes at the “It looks like you’re ‘blanketly applying to things’” bit. Always struck me as whiney. 

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #1317 on: May 07, 2025, 11:23:32 AM »
I've been on the interview team several times in my career, it gave me a lot of insight on what to do and say and what not to do and say.  The best part is working with some of the people we hired, some of the ones that interviewed poorly were the best ones and the ones that interviewed well are the worst ones.  It's literally a crap shoot.  

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #1318 on: May 07, 2025, 11:28:55 AM »

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #1319 on: May 07, 2025, 11:29:35 AM »
I've been on the interview team several times in my career, it gave me a lot of insight on what to do and say and what not to do and say.  The best part is working with some of the people we hired, some of the ones that interviewed poorly were the best ones and the ones that interviewed well are the worst ones.  It's literally a crap shoot. 
Probably why predicting success or failure of college football coaches is so hard...

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #1320 on: May 07, 2025, 11:58:19 AM »
These days a job posting will typically have a fairly detailed list of qualifications and of the nature of the job role. I agree with the article that in today's world, responding to questions like you haven't actually paid attention to that and can't articulate how your qualifications apply to the job posting, would be a red flag.
We would not have put much detail in a job description for security reasons, and I don't think it was needed anyway.  We weren't hiring for some very specific role, we just felt we needed say an engineer or a technician for general lab work etc.  I really had no clue what I was to be working on when I was hired beyond some vague handwaving.

For a technician opening, we'd usually hire someone with a BS Chemistry degree and some knowledge about how to function in a chemistry lab.  That was it.  A PhD opening would entail a more involved process in the interview day, a lot rested on the seminar they would present about their previous work.  I wouldn't go into details about the job though.

I'm sure it's quite different in other industries.  In ours, it was pretty well expected a person's career would vary a lot over 30+ years, I probably worked on 10-15 major areas over that time.  

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #1321 on: May 07, 2025, 12:09:25 PM »
I always rolled my eyes at the “It looks like you’re ‘blanketly applying to things’” bit. Always struck me as whiney.

Agree.

It's also out of touch with reality.  The truth is, when you're job searching, you better be blanketly applying to things, because your odds of a callback on any one thing are very slim.  You need to apply to dozens, even hundreds of jobs, and most job-seekers who just go looking for what they "want" and not what opens up for them are going to be in a pickle.  When you have some experience and more leverage, you can probably be choosier.  But this is a pretty crap way to look at candidates in any kind of entry-level or lower-level.  Or heck, even higher levels, for people who have been laid off, have a mortgage and a family to feed, and need work.  Better believe they're "blanketly applying to things."  That's a silly knock on a potential candidate.  

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #1322 on: May 07, 2025, 12:14:38 PM »
We had various companies come on to campus to interview.  You signed up if you were plausibly interested, and did a one hour interview with some campus recruiter.  (I did the other side of this for a few years.)  Then your resume and recruiter notes went back to some hiring team who might decide you were worth an on site interview.  Then you'd get a letter in the mail with details and you'd respond yay (usually) or nay, then travel to the company's place and do a day long interview.

I had about six of these, and decided it was taking too much time, and had three offers, two of which seemed attractive.  I then set up a second "interview" trip with them so I could ask questions etc. and then decided which offer to accept.

I guess I may have mailed out resumes if I saw job openings, probably a few.  At one point I was somewhat interested in a teaching position out in Montana and another in Iowa, so those probably came about from sending resumes.  My boss wanted me to take one of them, it would be a feather in his cap.

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« Reply #1323 on: May 07, 2025, 12:41:01 PM »
I don't think I'd take it as a good sign if my boss wanted me to take another job.  Even when it's what you say, it'd feel like "I'd like to get rid of you."

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #1324 on: May 07, 2025, 12:44:43 PM »
I don't think I'd take it as a good sign if my boss wanted me to take another job.  Even when it's what you say, it'd feel like "I'd like to get rid of you."
I was graduating.  He was my advisor, happy I was leaving (as was I).  A professor who places a student as an assistant professore somewhere gets some pride and status for so doing.

The salary in industry was nearly twice was an assistant professor makes, with a LOT less "work".  

I was his second student to graduate.  He passed away at age 52 15 or so years later.  He was a really good basketball player and made his own furniture and beer.  The furniture was nice, the beer not so much but I told him it was great.

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #1325 on: May 07, 2025, 02:05:14 PM »
We would not have put much detail in a job description for security reasons, and I don't think it was needed anyway.  We weren't hiring for some very specific role, we just felt we needed say an engineer or a technician for general lab work etc.  I really had no clue what I was to be working on when I was hired beyond some vague handwaving.

For a technician opening, we'd usually hire someone with a BS Chemistry degree and some knowledge about how to function in a chemistry lab.  That was it.  A PhD opening would entail a more involved process in the interview day, a lot rested on the seminar they would present about their previous work.  I wouldn't go into details about the job though.

I'm sure it's quite different in other industries.  In ours, it was pretty well expected a person's career would vary a lot over 30+ years, I probably worked on 10-15 major areas over that time. 
Yeah, if you're looking for mostly entry-level stuff, and ability to operate lab equipment, it's a little different. The further along you are in your career, IMHO, the more specialized things become. 

That job I referenced was still only my second job out of college, so I was quite green behind the ears, as it were. However, that was also a company that tended to hire young [i.e. cheap] people. Ultimately it was a job where I gained experience, but eventually felt I'd outgrown them. 

The next job (5 years later), however, I can also say that I prepared for the interview. I had familiarity with the company from my previous job, but in advance of the interview I'd read all their tech literature online, had a grasp of what they were doing, etc. And because of the 5 years of experience I had at said previous, I could articulate how my experience aligned exactly with the role I was interviewing for. 

IMHO if you walk into an interview unprepared, it's not going to look great. 

Agree.

It's also out of touch with reality.  The truth is, when you're job searching, you better be blanketly applying to things, because your odds of a callback on any one thing are very slim.  You need to apply to dozens, even hundreds of jobs, and most job-seekers who just go looking for what they "want" and not what opens up for them are going to be in a pickle.  When you have some experience and more leverage, you can probably be choosier.  But this is a pretty crap way to look at candidates in any kind of entry-level or lower-level.  Or heck, even higher levels, for people who have been laid off, have a mortgage and a family to feed, and need work.  Better believe they're "blanketly applying to things."  That's a silly knock on a potential candidate. 
Still disagree on "blanketly applying to things", especially for higher-level work. I think it's more important to absolutely target the RIGHT job(s) and put more time into landing them than to just spew resumes out at anything remotely in your industry. Because the people on the other side will be able to spot the 100 reasons you're not aligned with their job just looking over the resume. That doesn't mean that sometimes you DON'T send out resumes to those "long shot" jobs, don't put a ton of time into them, and then only do your research when you get a nibble. But I think for the ones that you are a REALLY ideal candidate, you want to do something that helps stand out. I.e. a cover letter that looks like it's tailored to the EXACT position you're applying for and isn't 'generic' is going to help. You want to get the idea across that you're not looking for A job, you're looking for THAT specific job. 

When I was laid off in 2002, what I found was that I had plenty of TIME available to do this stuff. In fact, I'd usually spend a couple hours every morning (or every afternoon) doing the job application stuff, and a bunch of the rest of the day riding my motorcycle around. There are only so many jobs worth applying to, and when you're out of work, a lack of time REALLY shouldn't be an excuse for not putting in the required effort to be better than the pack. 


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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #1326 on: May 07, 2025, 02:19:17 PM »
Yeah, if you're looking for mostly entry-level stuff, and ability to operate lab equipment, it's a little different. The further along you are in your career, IMHO, the more specialized things become.
This makes some sense, our company had a policy of hiring only entry level people, every thing else was "promote from within" with very few exceptions for very specialized fields.  So, everyone (nearly) started at base level (depending on degree).  Everyone I knew started out as a "new hire" at entry level.

I interviewed for one job in south Georgia of all places after maybe 15 years with my company, it was ostensibly a two level promotion, or so they said, only they asked me if I would take the job if it didn't pay more.  I did have some idea of what they wanted, but the details were confidential.  They called me back to take a "psych eval" in Atlanta, which they said was required of everyone.  I had already decided I couldn't take it with my kids etc.

 

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