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Topic: If, not when. How much longer until the big money/helmets break?

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847badgerfan

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It's not that hard to see a group of schools just plain out breaking off. Do you think it will happen? I mean, the rest of the "P5" really has no shot here. Do they?

UT-A
OU
USC
ND
UGA
UA-T
AU
UF
LSU
aTm
OSU
PSU
UM
Clempsum

Any others? Not sure UNL or Tenn would be welcome anymore. FSU? Miami?

The above could still play, and murder, their old mates in the OOC schedule. 

Half (or more) of the "P5" does not even belong in the conversation anymore.

The days of KSU or WSU or Wake or NU or oSu shocking the world are over.

Schools like mine, and others similar, could rise up and compete once in a while. 

Competing is different from winning it all, at all costs. 

Schools like mine are not going to win 2-3 games to win a CCG and MNC. It's just not possible.
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Re: If, not when. How much longer until the big money/helmets break?
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2022, 11:27:55 PM »
They don't have any reason to break away from the rest of the P5. There would have to be some sort of proposal where they would get more money, and I don't necessarily see it. It. Is there more money in watching a dozen colleges exclusively playing against each other? And would those 12 schools fan bases be okay knowing that every year couple of them are going to have 2-10 type seasons?

It's almost as though in seeking a true national champion, all we wound up doing was exposing all of the cracks in the system, and that the best teams, are substantially better. And if you give them a chance to erase a mistake from a random Saturday in mid October, and/or force the second tier teams to beat them a couple of times in a playoff environment, it's not going to happen.   You have eliminated every goal except for one, and then given teams multiple chances to prove which team is actually the best. Which I guess is fine if that is your goal, but it certainly detracts from the entertainment value


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Re: If, not when. How much longer until the big money/helmets break?
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2022, 11:37:32 PM »
I think they'll find a reason to break off, but it'll be to their detriment. 

One of the perks of this sport is that wins go up from unpopular to popular. A break off group means some big money school goes 6-6 a bunch, and that's not the world they want. 

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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2022, 11:51:43 PM »
gotta have the little guys to pick on and take their lunch money
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Re: If, not when. How much longer until the big money/helmets break?
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2022, 12:00:44 AM »
I think they'll find a reason to break off, but it'll be to their detriment.

One of the perks of this sport is that wins go up from unpopular to popular. A break off group means some big money school goes 6-6 a bunch, and that's not the world they want.
Exactly.
It's sort of like booting all of the lettuce-pickers out of the country.  No one wants $15 heads of lettuce.
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2022, 12:02:05 AM »


Competing is different from winning it all, at all costs.

Schools like mine are not going to win 2-3 games to win a CCG and MNC. It's just not possible.

Yeah, the road to the NC is improbable for even the very best team, which makes it basically impossible for the have-nots (including the G5).
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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2022, 08:57:00 AM »
Tight. For every great player Wisconsin has, Georgia has 2. You can't beat that.

It's been UW's problem with OSU for a decade+. There's just to much to go against.
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2022, 09:15:34 AM »
gotta have the little guys to pick on and take their lunch money
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Re: If, not when. How much longer until the big money/helmets break?
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2022, 09:59:50 AM »
I'm actually curious if the opposite happens, the smaller schools / conferences break off to make their own league? (and takes some of the big boys with them?)

I've heard a rumor recently floated out to FOX sports about a B1G/P12/ACC/G6 championship tournament and let the SEC Big boys play in their own ESPN sand box. 

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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2022, 11:09:22 AM »
They don't have any reason to break away from the rest of the P5. There would have to be some sort of proposal where they would get more money, and I don't necessarily see it. It. Is there more money in watching a dozen colleges exclusively playing against each other? And would those 12 schools fan bases be okay knowing that every year couple of them are going to have 2-10 type seasons?

It's almost as though in seeking a true national champion, all we wound up doing was exposing all of the cracks in the system, and that the best teams, are substantially better. And if you give them a chance to erase a mistake from a random Saturday in mid October, and/or force the second tier teams to beat them a couple of times in a playoff environment, it's not going to happen.  You have eliminated every goal except for one, and then given teams multiple chances to prove which team is actually the best. Which I guess is fine if that is your goal, but it certainly detracts from the entertainment value
This, exactly.  

We can all name plenty of great teams that didn't even play for the NC because of a "mistake from a random Saturday in mid October".  Ohio State in 1998 springs to mind.  That team was incredible but one Saturday in early November they had an off day and/or Michigan State had a REALLY good day so they didn't even get to play for the NC.  In today's world that team still would have easily won the B1G-E and gotten to the B1GCG where they'd have been a prohibitive favorite over the B1G-W Champion (Wisconsin) and with a win there they'd have headed to the CFP.  

As a fan of Ohio State it sucked to lose that game but the set-up made games like that exciting because you KNEW going in that a bad week against PSU, IL, MN, NU, IU, MSU, or Iowa could doom your NC dreams.  

Now, as an Ohio State fan I know that my team has at least a 50/50 shot with one loss and at least some chance with two losses so the intensity isn't there anymore.  If I miss a random mid-October game I'm not nearly as perturbed because I KNOW that even if the Buckeyes lose they'll still be in the race.  

The CFP also has SUBSTANTIALLY reduced the chances for teams like Cincy and even for teams like Wisconsin and Michigan.  In the old days Bama's loss to aTm would have basically eliminated them and UGA's loss to Bama would have basically eliminated them.  An undefeated team from the Big Ten would have played Utah for the NC.  Cincy might have even snuck in with a bowl win.  

Now that undefeated Cincy/Wisconsin/Michigan at the end of the regular season still needs to win back-to-back-to-back games against increasingly tough opponents.  The chances are near zero.  

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Re: If, not when. How much longer until the big money/helmets break?
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2022, 11:52:55 AM »
I am curious as to how the money now changes these things. I tend to think the NIL money will make things more even - TAMU used it to break the stranglehold on recruiting this year, and there is no reason other schools can't follow suit. Wisconsin, Nebraska, etc. have been mostly hurt by not being near the best talent. Now they have another bullet to change that equation. 

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Re: If, not when. How much longer until the big money/helmets break?
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2022, 11:54:17 AM »
Teams with a lot of fans will be able to support large NILs, teams without won't.

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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2022, 11:59:11 AM »
As I've pondered, does NIL lead to more concentration at the top, or does it lead to more parity? Is there more NIL value in being a role contributor at a helmet than being an outright star at a midlevel P5 team? I don't know.

That said, NIL isn't even profiting off your name, image, likeness as I envisioned it... It's just pay for play via boosters. So to an extent schools doing what Texas boosters are doing, basically setting up an endowment to pay all athletes equally (and then the stars having additional NIL value outside of it), is something that I doubt schools like Purdue can ever come close to matching. 

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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2022, 12:03:21 PM »
I am curious as to how the money now changes these things. I tend to think the NIL money will make things more even - TAMU used it to break the stranglehold on recruiting this year, and there is no reason other schools can't follow suit. Wisconsin, Nebraska, etc. have been mostly hurt by not being near the best talent. Now they have another bullet to change that equation.
To be clear, TAMU didn't use NIL for that-- they used bags of cash paid directly under the table to the players and/or "representatives" of the players.  They just did it on a scale we've never seen before.  Even Hugh Freeze and Ole Miss boosters are blushing at what the ags just pulled off.

But your greater point stands-- NIL money is going to dwarf dirty money once people understand how it can be used within the system, and schools with lots of boosters and/or companies that are favorable to them (Nike with Oregon, Under Armor with Mryland, etc.) will be able to capitalize on it.

 

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