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Topic: If, not when. How much longer until the big money/helmets break?

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MaximumSam

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Re: If, not when. How much longer until the big money/helmets break?
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2022, 12:09:14 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on January 11, 2022, 12:03:21 PM
To be clear, TAMU didn't use NIL for that-- they used bags of cash paid directly under the table to the players and/or "representatives" of the players.  They just did it on a scale we've never seen before.

But your greater point stands-- NIL money is going to dwarf dirty money once people understand how it can be used within the system, and schools with lots of boosters and/or companies that are favorable to them (Nike with Oregon, Under Armor with Mryland, etc.) will be able to capitalize on it.
No doubt many schools can't compete directly with Texas. However, if Texas (and the other bigger schools) at least compete with each other, then that weakens the very tip top. If Georgia had, say, 9 five star players on the roster instead of 19, that changes the equation. They are still better than Purdue, but not so far and away better that the whole season becomes academic.
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Re: If, not when. How much longer until the big money/helmets break?
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2022, 12:16:17 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on January 11, 2022, 12:09:14 PM
No doubt many schools can't compete directly with Texas. However, if Texas (and the other bigger schools) at least compete with each other, then that weakens the very tip top. If Georgia had, say, 9 five star players on the roster instead of 19, that changes the equation. They are still better than Purdue, but not so far and away better that the whole season becomes academic.
I think a lot more schools will be able-- and more importantly willing-- to compete with NIL financial enticements, than currently compete with cheater bag tactics.

I think the winners will be the schools that previously avoided cheating, but can create ways to organize their efforts using NIL.  The losers will be schools that relied on cheater bagman tactics, but don't really have the financial support and capability to create robust NIL programs.  You know, schools like Ole Miss.

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« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2022, 12:49:55 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on January 11, 2022, 12:16:17 PM
I think the winners will be the schools that previously avoided didn't get caught cheating, but can create ways to organize their efforts using NIL. 
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Re: If, not when. How much longer until the big money/helmets break?
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2022, 12:52:39 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on January 11, 2022, 12:49:55 PM
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Nah.  There are plenty of schools that have tremendous resources.  If they were cheating like that, you'd know it...
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« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2022, 01:49:55 PM »
Quote from: TyphonInc on January 11, 2022, 09:59:50 AM

I've heard a rumor recently floated out to FOX sports about a B1G/P12/ACC/G6 championship tournament and let the SEC Big boys play in their own ESPN sand box.
That would be the most pathetic thing in the history of sport.
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Re: If, not when. How much longer until the big money/helmets break?
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2022, 01:51:05 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on January 11, 2022, 12:52:39 PM
Nah.  There are plenty of schools that have tremendous resources.  If they were cheating like that, you'd know it...
I'm suspicious of A&M's class this year, a la Ole Miss' back under Freeze.  

A&M?  Best class ever?  After an average season?   

It doesn't add up on the face of it.
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Re: If, not when. How much longer until the big money/helmets break?
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2022, 02:31:59 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 11, 2022, 01:49:55 PM
That would be the most pathetic thing in the history of sport.
It's actually kind of interesting. Boxing had a similar thing going on where a lot of boxers end up with one of the few promoters and never fight guys from other promoters. It's not, like, good, but given college football has mostly stopped caring about anything but making more money and there is no centralized body making rules, I could see it happening. 
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« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2022, 02:45:13 PM »
Indycar racing split into 2 leagues in the early 90s. Ratings and attendance plummeted for both.  They eventually reformed into one league again but there was permanent damage to the sport.  They've never fully recovered.
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« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2022, 02:47:24 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 11, 2022, 01:51:05 PM
I'm suspicious of A&M's class this year, a la Ole Miss' back under Freeze. 

A&M?  Best class ever?  After an average season? 

It doesn't add up on the face of it.
The difference is that now it's legal. 

Quote from: MaximumSam on January 11, 2022, 02:31:59 PM
It's actually kind of interesting. Boxing had a similar thing going on where a lot of boxers end up with one of the few promoters and never fight guys from other promoters. It's not, like, good, but given college football has mostly stopped caring about anything but making more money and there is no centralized body making rules, I could see it happening.
I've noticed that when I listen to Alt Nation on SiriusXM and then listen to Alt98.7 here locally (an IHeartRadio station), it's amazing that some artists show up on ONLY one of those platforms. I had never thought before that perhaps some of those artists are actually sponsored by the platform and being directly promoted by them, and that the other platform basically stays away from playing them unless they get so popular that they can't avoid it. 
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« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2022, 02:49:23 PM »
The Champions League broke away like 30 years ago, and honestly European soccer might be the closest thing we have in terms of imbalance of talent and resources, and it worked out ok for them.  Then the top Euro clubs tried to to break off last year, and the backlash caused them to reverse course quickly.  Even the fans of the teams didn't seem to like it.  I think that's closer to what we'd have here, in that all of the P5 schools are in healthy shape, but then there are a handful of behemoths, and I simply don't think there is more money in telling Michigan or Notre Dame fans they are going to have to stomach 2-10 type seasons, but that every game will be against Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, etc...
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Re: If, not when. How much longer until the big money/helmets break?
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2022, 02:49:54 PM »
The B1G/ACC/PAC/G6 won't break off. It would be a clear admission of weakness in the face of the SEC to split off, like they KNOW they have an inferior product.

Now, what MIGHT happen is that as a whole, they'll try to influence rulemaking and other off-field actions to kneecap SEC dominance, and then the SEC plus anyone that they favor (~10-12 other P5 teams) will break away from the rest of the NCAA to create their own super-league. 

But there's no way that the other leagues will break off in an attempt to duck the SEC. The optics of that move are terrible. 
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« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2022, 02:50:46 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on January 11, 2022, 02:47:24 PM
The difference is that now it's legal.
I've noticed that when I listen to Alt Nation on SiriusXM and then listen to Alt98.7 here locally (an IHeartRadio station), it's amazing that some artists show up on ONLY one of those platforms. I had never thought before that perhaps some of those artists are actually sponsored by the platform and being directly promoted by them, and that the other platform basically stays away from playing them unless they get so popular that they can't avoid it.

Satellite radio is notorious for that when it comes to new music of all genres.
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« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2022, 02:53:02 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on January 11, 2022, 02:49:54 PM
The B1G/ACC/PAC/G6 won't break off. It would be a clear admission of weakness in the face of the SEC to split off, like they KNOW they have an inferior product.

Now, what MIGHT happen is that as a whole, they'll try to influence rulemaking and other off-field actions to kneecap SEC dominance, and then the SEC plus anyone that they favor (~10-12 other P5 teams) will break away from the rest of the NCAA to create their own super-league.

But there's no way that the other leagues will break off in an attempt to duck the SEC. The optics of that move are terrible.
I could see them also refusing to sign bowl agreements or OOC games against SEC teams
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Re: If, not when. How much longer until the big money/helmets break?
« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2022, 02:57:59 PM »
I think it's a matter of the lower level schools deciding what they want to be.

Do they want to me Bama? If so, act like it. If not, then do something different.
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