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Topic: G5 Scheduling Alliance Proposal

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ELA

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Re: G5 Scheduling Alliance Proposal
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2021, 09:49:22 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on October 28, 2021, 05:29:53 PM
Word.

Also, eliminate all ESPN commentary.  They're allowed to broadcast games and that's it.
I remember when winning the one bowl bid the MAC had was a big deal.

5-1-2 still makes more sense to me than anything I've heard.
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Re: G5 Scheduling Alliance Proposal
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2021, 09:52:08 PM »
To add on, I continue to propose my ideal scenario being a 20 bowl postseason, with 5 tiers of 4 bowls each, each with a 5-1-2 setup.  Then the top tier serving as an 8 team, unseeded playoff, with Big 10-Pac 12 in the Rose; Big 12 in the Fiesta, ACC in the Orange and SEC in the Sugar, and the Go5 and 2 At large seeded against those 3.

Then you actually take teams from the conference in the order they deserve, building up to the bigger bowls, so even once you are out of the playoff discussion, you are actually fighting for a better bowl bid.
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Re: G5 Scheduling Alliance Proposal
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2021, 10:34:12 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on October 28, 2021, 09:47:54 PM
It's not unfair at all. Every single team in a conference can play their way into a championship. While this clearly favors conferences, there are like 7 teams not in a conference, so something should be done about that.

Compare to the present system - how many teams can realistically play their way in? Maybe a third to a half? On fairness, my way wins.
It rewards being a member of a weak conference.  Unfair.
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Re: G5 Scheduling Alliance Proposal
« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2021, 10:36:39 PM »
ELA's idea is good because at least it would be something.  An effort.  Something better than 'woe is me.'

The FSU way was best, but they were an independent and could schedule that way.  It's not feasible now.
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Re: G5 Scheduling Alliance Proposal
« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2021, 10:41:20 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on October 28, 2021, 10:34:12 PM
It rewards being a member of a weak conference.  Unfair.
Nothing preventing say, TAMU, from joining the Sun Belt. 
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Re: G5 Scheduling Alliance Proposal
« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2021, 10:43:42 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on October 28, 2021, 10:41:20 PM
Nothing preventing say, TAMU, from joining the Sun Belt.
Read what you just typed.
Apologize to yourself.
Move on.
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Re: G5 Scheduling Alliance Proposal
« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2021, 10:45:29 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on October 28, 2021, 10:43:42 PM
Read what you just typed.
Apologize to yourself.
Move on.
Oh, you are one of those people who want all the benefits of a choice, and think costs are wrong. Sorry about that.
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Re: G5 Scheduling Alliance Proposal
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2021, 10:49:54 PM »
There's something to be said for maintaining tradition as best we can, as way to many classic rivalries have been nixed. 

With the Cincinnati example, they've been playing Miami regularly since 1888, and annually since 1909. Kind of a big deal in the greater Cincy area (Hamilton and Butler Co). 
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Re: G5 Scheduling Alliance Proposal
« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2021, 10:57:19 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on October 28, 2021, 10:49:54 PM
There's something to be said for maintaining tradition as best we can, as way to many classic rivalries have been nixed.

With the Cincinnati example, they've been playing Miami regularly since 1888, and annually since 1909. Kind of a big deal in the greater Cincy area (Hamilton and Butler Co).
Only top 10 programs are allowed to have things like rivalries.
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Re: G5 Scheduling Alliance Proposal
« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2021, 11:03:10 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on October 28, 2021, 10:45:29 PM
Oh, you are one of those people who want all the benefits of a choice, and think costs are wrong. Sorry about that.
Your idea is something that's never happened, would decrease money for the school in question, and has zero possibility of actually happening.  
Did I miss anything?
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Re: G5 Scheduling Alliance Proposal
« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2021, 11:13:22 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on October 28, 2021, 10:34:12 PM
It rewards being a member of a weak conference.  Unfair.
Ding ding ding!  People have to intentionally blind themselves to reality to not see this.  
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Re: G5 Scheduling Alliance Proposal
« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2021, 11:34:54 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on October 28, 2021, 09:47:54 PM
It's not unfair at all. Every single team in a conference can play their way into a championship. While this clearly favors conferences, there are like 7 teams not in a conference, so something should be done about that.

Compare to the present system - how many teams can realistically play their way in? Maybe a third to a half? On fairness, my way wins.
Everybody gets a chance is pretend fair.  

Best teams in is actually fair.  

There is a difference.  

It is bad enough that schools from big boy leagues get passed over for vastly lesser tallest midgets in CBB but at least there the excluded big boy league teams have no realistic chance anyway.  In CFB under your proposal of a 12 team playoff with auto-bids for all league champions you'd be excluding legitimate contenders to make room for ridiculously outclassed tallest midgets.  

For 2019 (last pre-pandemic year) you'd have taken:
  • #1 LSU, SEC Champ
  • #2 tOSU, B1G Champ
  • #3 Clemson, ACC Champ
  • #4 Oklahoma, B12 Champ
  • #5 UGA, At-Large #1
  • #6 Oregon, P12 Champ
  • #7 Baylor, At-Large #2
  • #17 Memphis AAC Champ
  • #19 BoiseSt, MWC Champ
  • #20 ApSt, SBelt Champ
  • 10-3 FAU, CUSA Champ:  Lost to tOSU by 24
  • 8-5 MiamiOH, MAC Champ:  Lost to Iowa by 24, lost to Cincy by 22, lost to tOSU by 71

If you honestly believe that fairness necessitates including a MiamiOh team that was obviously and demonstrably unable to hang with the big boys AT ALL at the expense of competitive teams like Wisconsin, Florida, and Penn State then you just aren't smart enough to be a part of this conversation.  


Miami of Ohio trailed tOSU 49-5 at halftime.  That the Buckeyes only scored 27 points in the second half was only because they were playing waterboys, cheerleaders, and mascots while resting their starters.  Wisconsin, by comparison, played Ohio State twice.  In the first game:
  • Wisconsin was within a FG deep in the third quarter 
  • Wisconsin entered the fourth quarter within 17 points.  
In the Second game:
  • Wisconsin led by 14 at halftime
  • Wisconsin led deep in the third quarter
  • Wisconsin entered the fourth quarter within a FG
  • Wisconsin was within 10 deep in the fourth quarter
  • Wisconsin lost by 13, two scores.   

Wisconsin was a legitimately good team, MiamiOH was complete crap.  If you can't see that, I can't help you.  
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Re: G5 Scheduling Alliance Proposal
« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2021, 12:06:53 AM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on October 28, 2021, 11:34:54 PM
Everybody gets a chance is pretend fair. 

Best teams in is actually fair. 

There is a difference. 

It is bad enough that schools from big boy leagues get passed over for vastly lesser tallest midgets in CBB but at least there the excluded big boy league teams have no realistic chance anyway.  In CFB under your proposal of a 12 team playoff with auto-bids for all league champions you'd be excluding legitimate contenders to make room for ridiculously outclassed tallest midgets. 

For 2019 (last pre-pandemic year) you'd have taken:
  • #1 LSU, SEC Champ
  • #2 tOSU, B1G Champ
  • #3 Clemson, ACC Champ
  • #4 Oklahoma, B12 Champ
  • #5 UGA, At-Large #1
  • #6 Oregon, P12 Champ
  • #7 Baylor, At-Large #2
  • #17 Memphis AAC Champ
  • #19 BoiseSt, MWC Champ
  • #20 ApSt, SBelt Champ
  • 10-3 FAU, CUSA Champ:  Lost to tOSU by 24
  • 8-5 MiamiOH, MAC Champ:  Lost to Iowa by 24, lost to Cincy by 22, lost to tOSU by 71

If you honestly believe that fairness necessitates including a MiamiOh team that was obviously and demonstrably unable to hang with the big boys AT ALL at the expense of competitive teams like Wisconsin, Florida, and Penn State then you just aren't smart enough to be a part of this conversation. 


Miami of Ohio trailed tOSU 49-5 at halftime.  That the Buckeyes only scored 27 points in the second half was only because they were playing waterboys, cheerleaders, and mascots while resting their starters.  Wisconsin, by comparison, played Ohio State twice.  In the first game:
  • Wisconsin was within a FG deep in the third quarter
  • Wisconsin entered the fourth quarter within 17 points. 
In the Second game:
  • Wisconsin led by 14 at halftime
  • Wisconsin led deep in the third quarter
  • Wisconsin entered the fourth quarter within a FG
  • Wisconsin was within 10 deep in the fourth quarter
  • Wisconsin lost by 13, two scores. 

Wisconsin was a legitimately good team, MiamiOH was complete crap.  If you can't see that, I can't help you. 
8 team playoff, no automatic bids, no first round byes, no special favors for Notre Dame or G5.  Just the eight best teams would do wonders for this sport.
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Re: G5 Scheduling Alliance Proposal
« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2021, 12:40:34 AM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on October 28, 2021, 09:01:54 PM
Could we try to be a little more fair than that?

This is outrageously unfair to legitimate power teams because you'd be giving a slew of playoff spots to crappy tallest midgets and depriving legitimately good teams of those spots.

My high school went undefeated and won their league why don't they get a slot?
Medina, I respect you greatly, but with this sport and especially with the particular outlook you have on the sport, there will be no fairness. That's how it ends. 

If half the sport can't have a chance of competing on day one, there's no need to talk about fairness at all. None. And that's fine. It's unfair to the core. Nature of the beast. 
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