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Topic: For fun: Who would your all-time position players be?

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MarqHusker

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Re: For fun: Who would your all-time position players be?
« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2022, 05:47:04 PM »
Everybody's got a dud on the resume and somebody's gotta start this fake team of greats.

Peak VY is about as good as it gets.  Frazier, LJ, Tebow, etc. They all had some crazy peak games too but also some duds.   

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Re: For fun: Who would your all-time position players be?
« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2022, 07:55:04 PM »
Right, so you go by their baseline or average.  You don't pick a guy based on his peak, because you may never see it again.  I want the highest ho-hum, normal output for a player.  

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I see it as the type of person that tabs Young as their best all-time college QB is the same as the one who tabs Barry Sanders their best all-time college RB.  They care about peak, whether it's 1 game or 1 season.  I disagree, but if a person prefers that and they're consistent with it, fine.  Whatever.
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That being said, the problem with holding Young so high is that you're literally ranking him based on the peak of ONE GAME.  For an all-time season ranking, this is a mistake....so yes, for a CAREER ranking, it's ludicrous.  
Want a great dual-thread season?  Cam Newton's 2013 was better than Young's, statistically.  And he also won a NC.  But he had a better passing season, a bigger rushing season.....very likely had worse players around him.  
I'd argue being down 24-0 to a Saban-coached defense and winning the game is every much as impressive as Young's RB performance.  But everyone wasn't tuning in, as it wasn't the NCG.  
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I think you could say someone who puts Young on their all-time team is lazy.  Not as an insult, but with the understanding that they watched that RB, said to themselves that it's the best a player could ever play, and that the case is closed.  Easy.  No effort.  Yeah, lazy.  
This is how players of yesteryear often were held in such high esteem, while their statistics don't support it.  Who am I talking about?
Guys like Roger Staubach, Archie Manning, Anthony Davis, Tommie Frazier, Joe Montana, etc became legends largely for being great players who had special games or plays.  
Earned or not, those games and plays happened and people love witnessing greatness.  Don't care about Archie's stats, that game against Bama was legendary.  Don't care how bad he played, Montana showed true grit in that Cotton Bowl.
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There are varying degrees of validity, statistically-speaking, but as long as you're consistent, at least that's something.
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Re: For fun: Who would your all-time position players be?
« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2022, 10:44:24 AM »
career vs single season vs single game vs single play

hard to judge by careers because some didn't get the opportunity for 3 or 4 seasons

almost all got a full single season, but the seasons have more games now than back in the day
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Re: For fun: Who would your all-time position players be?
« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2022, 10:53:14 AM »
I'd go by median rather than average.

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Re: For fun: Who would your all-time position players be?
« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2022, 08:32:07 PM »
I'd go by median rather than average.
Yeah, ignoring the good and the bad is brilliant.
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Re: For fun: Who would your all-time position players be?
« Reply #34 on: May 28, 2022, 03:31:35 PM »
Since there is no "right" I'm going with what I would enjoy watching, of guys I actually watched.  Granted my QB might make the WRs negligble


  • QB - Tommy Frazier
  • RB - Tyrone Wheatley & Reggie Bush
  • WR - Peter Warrick & Desmond Howard
  • TE - Kellen Winslow :sign0137:


UM only, from my time as a UM fan, that was aware of college football (1990-2004)


  • QB - Elvis Grbac
  • RB - Tyrone Wheatley & Anthony Thomas
  • WR - Desmond Howard & Marquise Walker
  • TE - Jerame Tuman


Granted college football as a whole, and specifically in the Big Ten sucked in 2001, but how that was a near Big Ten champion Michigan team, when you look at that offense, is why it's Walker.  He was the whole damn offense.

MSU from my time (2005-present)
  • QB - Drew Stanton
  • RB - Javon Ringer & LeVeon Bell
  • WR - Keshawn Martin & Tony Lippett
  • TE - Josiah Price

Some tough ones here.  Stanton was a victim of the JLS era.  As great as KWIII was last year, it was just one year.  WR may have been the toughest.  I wouldn't be shocked if you told me that since the start of the MD era, MSU has had more all-Big Ten WRs than anyone.  But none were clear cut all-timers.  They've just had a steady stream of very good WRs

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Re: For fun: Who would your all-time position players be?
« Reply #35 on: May 28, 2022, 09:46:41 PM »
UM only, from my time as a UM fan, that was aware of college football (1990-2004)


  • QB - Elvis Grbac
Elvisn't  wasn't bad
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Re: For fun: Who would your all-time position players be?
« Reply #36 on: May 28, 2022, 11:09:08 PM »
Thank You,thank you very much
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Re: For fun: Who would your all-time position players be?
« Reply #37 on: May 28, 2022, 11:39:50 PM »
Elvis is the easiest answer to "Who had the best career as QB of Michigan?"
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Unless you wanted an option guy, then you'd go with Leach.  
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But from Henne to Harbaugh to Brady to any other modern UM QB, Elvis is probably on top.  You'd have to do the least amount of word salad if you have him on top.
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