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Topic: For fun: Who would your all-time position players be?

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Re: For fun: Who would your all-time position players be?
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2022, 02:21:36 PM »
possibly the greatest punt return of all time

and it didn't go for a TD
Damn they had Pruitt before that who played for the Browns.Both a blast to watch,JW was the closest to resemble Sayers that I've ever seen IMO,both betrayed by the knees
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Re: For fun: Who would your all-time position players be?
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2022, 02:29:10 PM »
I'd choose a team based on "ordinary Joes".  I bet it would be pretty good, I mentioned two already.  Add Joe Green, if you want to get mean.



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Green was a No 1 Pick so not certain that's ordinary but a damn good pick.Think he was Noll's 1st pick
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Re: For fun: Who would your all-time position players be?
« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2022, 02:52:25 PM »
Yeah, that Joe, I might have an "all Joe team", that would be cool.

who would be the running back?
Joe Washington. Two-time too-5 Heisman finalist.

Next maybe Joe Morris, a Syracuse star. All-American and pretty good NFL runner.

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Re: For fun: Who would your all-time position players be?
« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2022, 02:59:48 PM »
The name of my "team" would be "Ordinary Joes" filled with Joes who were great.

Joe Namath should get mention, backup maybe.

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Re: For fun: Who would your all-time position players be?
« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2022, 03:00:54 PM »
Montana, Joe.
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Re: For fun: Who would your all-time position players be?
« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2022, 03:11:48 PM »
Wow, forgot him, yeah, he might be my starter.  

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Re: For fun: Who would your all-time position players be?
« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2022, 07:31:18 PM »
QB - Tommie Frazier, UNL
FB - Earl Campbell, UT
RB - Mike Rozier, UNL
WB - Marshall Faulk, SDST
WR - Torry Holt, NCST
TE - Jermaine Gresham, OU
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If I'm going triple option, there's tons of great QBs, but Frazier could also pass.
FB is fun, because you're not limited to FBs, but any brutish RB.  Ricky Williams was a FB early on.  Same with Marcus Allen, obviously.  Campbell is popular, of course, but who is voluntarily getting in front of him play after play?
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Wingback is also fun...Faulk showed he could catch the ball his JR season.  Percy Harvin would also work here, big time. 
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When you have only one real WR, you need a guy who can get open as the only downfield threat - so he has to be big enough and fast enough.  Torry Holt dominated the ACC, including a superior FSU team.  They couldn't cover him. 
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Besides Keith Jackson, another OU TE has been mentioned here, but I was scared to death of Gresham leading up to the BCSNCG in 2008.  He was big and fast and just physical downfield.  He did score a TD vs the Gators, but I was relieved he didn't go bananas.  Was he not as great as I remember?
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Re: For fun: Who would your all-time position players be?
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2022, 07:04:01 AM »
I can't remember. Did Deion Sanders play any WR in college?
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Re: For fun: Who would your all-time position players be?
« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2022, 08:10:59 AM »
I think not, other than perhaps a very occasional play.  Champ Bailey did of course.  Hines Ward played a fair amount of QB.

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Re: For fun: Who would your all-time position players be?
« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2022, 10:39:34 AM »
I can't remember. Did Deion Sanders play any WR in college?
If he did, he never caught a pass. 

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Re: For fun: Who would your all-time position players be?
« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2022, 10:28:50 PM »
QB - Tommie Frazier, UNL
FB - Earl Campbell, UT
RB - Mike Rozier, UNL
WB - Marshall Faulk, SDST
WR - Torry Holt, NCST
TE - Jermaine Gresham, OU
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If I'm going triple option, there's tons of great QBs, but Frazier could also pass.
FB is fun, because you're not limited to FBs, but any brutish RB.  Ricky Williams was a FB early on.  Same with Marcus Allen, obviously.  Campbell is popular, of course, but who is voluntarily getting in front of him play after play?
.
Wingback is also fun...Faulk showed he could catch the ball his JR season.  Percy Harvin would also work here, big time. 
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When you have only one real WR, you need a guy who can get open as the only downfield threat - so he has to be big enough and fast enough.  Torry Holt dominated the ACC, including a superior FSU team.  They couldn't cover him. 
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Besides Keith Jackson, another OU TE has been mentioned here, but I was scared to death of Gresham leading up to the BCSNCG in 2008.  He was big and fast and just physical downfield.  He did score a TD vs the Gators, but I was relieved he didn't go bananas.  Was he not as great as I remember?
love Rozier but that was all about the o-line and the other weapons

speaking of FBs, Roger Craig moved to FB to get Roger and Rozier in the same backfield
FB? - Check Mark Schellen's 1983 stats   , said he was the only guy to outrun Irving Fryer in the 40 in practice   5.8 avg 65 longest 9 TDs
One real WR???  Fryar  averaged  19.5    8 TDs

Irving selected with the first overall pick of the 1984 NFL Draft, becoming the second wide receiver to be taken number one overall, the first being Dave Parks in 1964

Wingback???  Johnny "the Jet Rogers" - ask Bear Bryant
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Re: For fun: Who would your all-time position players be?
« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2022, 08:21:46 AM »
I'm going for variety......all Nebraska guys from one season is the opposite of that.
Think:  fantasy football
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Re: For fun: Who would your all-time position players be?
« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2022, 03:19:37 PM »
I see a lot of mentions for VY at QB and I get it because he was just phenomenal by the end of that 2005 NC season but I don't know about putting him atop the all-time list because I'm just not convinced that his overall career matches up well with other all-time greats.  

Caveat:
Before anyone jumps all over me here saying that VY was REALLY good, I get that.  He was REALLY good.  The thing is that we are talking about picking the best ever CFB QB.  Everybody in the conversation was REALLY good.  

The two VY games that I watched the closest were the 2006 Rose Bowl (2005 BCS NC) and the 2005 tOSU/Texas game.  

In that BCSNC RoseBowl VY was unreal:

  • 30/40 passing for 267 yards
  • NO INT's
  • 19 carries for 200 yards
  • 3 rushing TD's

He was absolutely the difference between Texas getting drilled and Texas winning.  His throwing was very good and his rushing was unbelievable.  His 200 yards rushing was the bulk of Texas' rushing offense (their two RB's had nine carries for 89 yards and one TD).  Take away VY and USC wins in a laugher.  



But . . .
Here are VY's stats from the game against Ohio State in the 'Shoe:
  • 18/29 passing for 270 yards
  • 2 passing TD's
  • 2 INT's
  • 20 carries for 76 yards
  • No rushing TD's


In that game Ohio State had a dysfunctional Tressel offense.  The Buckeyes' 22 points came on a TD and FIVE FG's.  VY ended up being the hero because when Texas got the ball back down by six with just under five minutes to play he went off.  The thing is that VY could just as easily have been the goat.  Both of his INT's gave tOSU such short fields (TX 18 and TX 37) that they were converted into FG's.  

The Buckeyes' offense was flat out pathetic in that game.  As an OSU fan I didn't come away from that game thinking "VY is unbeatable" I came away thinking "If only tOSU had some semblance of an offense".  The Buckeyes were 14/26 passing for 163 yards and rushed 36 times for 111 yards and almost won.  That is insane.  

Ohio State's TD did come on an 80 yard drive but the five FG's came on drives of:
  • -1,
  • 10,
  • 22,
  • 23, and
  • 45 yards
Early in the 2005 season I thought VY was a pretty good QB but not all-time great.  


I'm just saying that putting VY atop this list seems to me to be a case of putting way too much weight on his final college game in which he might as well have worn a cape.  

 

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