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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: OrangeAfroMan on April 26, 2022, 11:13:50 PM
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If you were coaching a team, who would you want at QB, RB (2), WR (2), and TE? Pick anyone from the history of college football.
Just for fun.
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I'll take Tebow at QB.
Reggie Bush and Bo Jackson at RB.
Peter Warrick and Troy Edwards at WR.
Kyle Pitts at TE.
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Tebow is obvious...not "right," just obvious. He also acts as the hammer for the offense, so I don't need a FB or Earl Campbell type for inside runs. Bo is plenty powerful enough and Bush was just amazing.
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At WR, I was thinking a speed guy and a possession guy. For me, Edwards is my possession guy and an easy pick. Warrick might not be among the fastest ever, but his juking ability was sick and he could get open and make big plays. He's a guy who would have won a Heisman in an alternate universe.
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This probably looks like a homer pick, but Pitts' 2020 season was all-time great. His numbers extrapolated out to a full season would've been 1,200 yds and 19 TDs at TE. No one could cover him. He had zero drops on the season. Yes, I'll take the TE who finished 10th in Heisman voting and was taken 4th overall in the draft.
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I'm missing some old-timey guys, but I'm okay with that.
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I'd like to see
QB, I may be here awhile before I figure that out. Lamar Jackson, VY, and Wuerffel would be fun as a trio.
Marcus Dupree and Herschel Walker in the backfield at tailback (or run the bone) Warrick Dunn would be my #3
Lydell Carr at FB
Troy Edwards and Michael Crabtree at WR
Keith Jackson at TE
Johnny Rodgers as my WB/PR
Suh, Green, Selmon (pick any of the bros.) and T. Suggs
Bosworth, Spielman, LT, C. Bennett
Deion, Lott, Woodson, Woodson
Punter: S. Lechler
Kicker: M. Grammatica
probably a couple guys playing a little bit out of position on the defensive side, but I like this group.
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Warrick was a freak. He and Eric Metcalf have to be two of the best jukers I've ever seen, always avoiding contact, kind of like LJ his heisman season, just doing what they want while everybody else was on ice skates.
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we're talking just college, I'm taking Vince Young at QB. Barry Sanders and Bo Jackson at RB. Charles Rogers and Desmond Howard at WR. Aaron Hernandez at TE.
man that line-up would score a f**kton of points.
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Vince Young at QB for me. Best overall college football player I've ever seen.
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I'd put in a vote for Joe B. at QB, though VY was certainly very worthy. I'd think about Champ Bailey playing DB and WR just to save space. Orlando and Joe in the OL.
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I'd put in a vote for Joe B. at QB, though VY was certainly very worthy. I'd think about Champ Bailey playing DB and WR just to save space. Orlando and Joe in the OL.
Thomas?
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Yeah, that Joe, I might have an "all Joe team", that would be cool.
who would be the running back?
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Pick a Badger?
Running back is a hard one to pick. What kind of back do you want?
Blazing speed? Bruiser? Dancer? Pass-catcher? Combination?
Depends on the OLine too, of course.
JT23 to me is the best Badger back of all, and he ran behind a worse OL than guys like Gordon, Ball, Dayne, etc. His YAC was simply amazing, and he could fly.
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I'd choose a team based on "ordinary Joes". I bet it would be pretty good, I mentioned two already. Add Joe Green, if you want to get mean.
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Little Joe Washington
https://youtu.be/azMUu7seoYY
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https://youtu.be/-lbuUTz2IUY
possibly the greatest punt return of all time
and it didn't go for a TD
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Warrick was a freak. He and Eric Metcalf have to be two of the best jukers I've ever seen
Metcalf was amazing,he singlehandedly beat the Squeelers in like 93/94.Think he ran back a K.O. and a punt for TD.Had all sorts of tardage in open space,just an incedible performance.That was in the mud at old Municipal Stadium in Cleveland.On artificial/synthetic turf they were grabbing air
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possibly the greatest punt return of all time
and it didn't go for a TD
Damn they had Pruitt before that who played for the Browns.Both a blast to watch,JW was the closest to resemble Sayers that I've ever seen IMO,both betrayed by the knees
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I'd choose a team based on "ordinary Joes". I bet it would be pretty good, I mentioned two already. Add Joe Green, if you want to get mean.
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Green was a No 1 Pick so not certain that's ordinary but a damn good pick.Think he was Noll's 1st pick
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Yeah, that Joe, I might have an "all Joe team", that would be cool.
who would be the running back?
Joe Washington. Two-time too-5 Heisman finalist.
Next maybe Joe Morris, a Syracuse star. All-American and pretty good NFL runner.
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The name of my "team" would be "Ordinary Joes" filled with Joes who were great.
Joe Namath should get mention, backup maybe.
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Montana, Joe.
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Wow, forgot him, yeah, he might be my starter.
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QB - Tommie Frazier, UNL
FB - Earl Campbell, UT
RB - Mike Rozier, UNL
WB - Marshall Faulk, SDST
WR - Torry Holt, NCST
TE - Jermaine Gresham, OU
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If I'm going triple option, there's tons of great QBs, but Frazier could also pass.
FB is fun, because you're not limited to FBs, but any brutish RB. Ricky Williams was a FB early on. Same with Marcus Allen, obviously. Campbell is popular, of course, but who is voluntarily getting in front of him play after play?
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Wingback is also fun...Faulk showed he could catch the ball his JR season. Percy Harvin would also work here, big time.
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When you have only one real WR, you need a guy who can get open as the only downfield threat - so he has to be big enough and fast enough. Torry Holt dominated the ACC, including a superior FSU team. They couldn't cover him.
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Besides Keith Jackson, another OU TE has been mentioned here, but I was scared to death of Gresham leading up to the BCSNCG in 2008. He was big and fast and just physical downfield. He did score a TD vs the Gators, but I was relieved he didn't go bananas. Was he not as great as I remember?
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I can't remember. Did Deion Sanders play any WR in college?
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I think not, other than perhaps a very occasional play. Champ Bailey did of course. Hines Ward played a fair amount of QB.
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I can't remember. Did Deion Sanders play any WR in college?
If he did, he never caught a pass.
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QB - Tommie Frazier, UNL
FB - Earl Campbell, UT
RB - Mike Rozier, UNL
WB - Marshall Faulk, SDST
WR - Torry Holt, NCST
TE - Jermaine Gresham, OU
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If I'm going triple option, there's tons of great QBs, but Frazier could also pass.
FB is fun, because you're not limited to FBs, but any brutish RB. Ricky Williams was a FB early on. Same with Marcus Allen, obviously. Campbell is popular, of course, but who is voluntarily getting in front of him play after play?
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Wingback is also fun...Faulk showed he could catch the ball his JR season. Percy Harvin would also work here, big time.
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When you have only one real WR, you need a guy who can get open as the only downfield threat - so he has to be big enough and fast enough. Torry Holt dominated the ACC, including a superior FSU team. They couldn't cover him.
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Besides Keith Jackson, another OU TE has been mentioned here, but I was scared to death of Gresham leading up to the BCSNCG in 2008. He was big and fast and just physical downfield. He did score a TD vs the Gators, but I was relieved he didn't go bananas. Was he not as great as I remember?
love Rozier but that was all about the o-line and the other weapons
speaking of FBs, Roger Craig moved to FB to get Roger and Rozier in the same backfield
FB? - Check Mark Schellen's 1983 stats , said he was the only guy to outrun Irving Fryer in the 40 in practice 5.8 avg 65 longest 9 TDs
One real WR??? Fryar averaged 19.5 8 TDs
Irving selected with the first overall pick of the 1984 NFL Draft, becoming the second wide receiver to be taken number one overall, the first being Dave Parks in 1964
Wingback??? Johnny "the Jet Rogers" - ask Bear Bryant
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I'm going for variety......all Nebraska guys from one season is the opposite of that.
Think: fantasy football
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I see a lot of mentions for VY at QB and I get it because he was just phenomenal by the end of that 2005 NC season but I don't know about putting him atop the all-time list because I'm just not convinced that his overall career matches up well with other all-time greats.
Caveat:
Before anyone jumps all over me here saying that VY was REALLY good, I get that. He was REALLY good. The thing is that we are talking about picking the best ever CFB QB. Everybody in the conversation was REALLY good.
The two VY games that I watched the closest were the 2006 Rose Bowl (2005 BCS NC) and the 2005 tOSU/Texas game.
In that BCSNC RoseBowl VY was unreal:
- 30/40 passing for 267 yards
- NO INT's
- 19 carries for 200 yards
- 3 rushing TD's
He was absolutely the difference between Texas getting drilled and Texas winning. His throwing was very good and his rushing was unbelievable. His 200 yards rushing was the bulk of Texas' rushing offense (their two RB's had nine carries for 89 yards and one TD). Take away VY and USC wins in a laugher.
But . . .
Here are VY's stats from the game against Ohio State in the 'Shoe:
- 18/29 passing for 270 yards
- 2 passing TD's
- 2 INT's
- 20 carries for 76 yards
- No rushing TD's
In that game Ohio State had a dysfunctional Tressel offense. The Buckeyes' 22 points came on a TD and FIVE FG's. VY ended up being the hero because when Texas got the ball back down by six with just under five minutes to play he went off. The thing is that VY could just as easily have been the goat. Both of his INT's gave tOSU such short fields (TX 18 and TX 37) that they were converted into FG's.
The Buckeyes' offense was flat out pathetic in that game. As an OSU fan I didn't come away from that game thinking "VY is unbeatable" I came away thinking "If only tOSU had some semblance of an offense". The Buckeyes were 14/26 passing for 163 yards and rushed 36 times for 111 yards and almost won. That is insane.
Ohio State's TD did come on an 80 yard drive but the five FG's came on drives of:
Early in the 2005 season I thought VY was a pretty good QB but not all-time great.
I'm just saying that putting VY atop this list seems to me to be a case of putting way too much weight on his final college game in which he might as well have worn a cape.
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Everybody's got a dud on the resume and somebody's gotta start this fake team of greats.
Peak VY is about as good as it gets. Frazier, LJ, Tebow, etc. They all had some crazy peak games too but also some duds.
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Right, so you go by their baseline or average. You don't pick a guy based on his peak, because you may never see it again. I want the highest ho-hum, normal output for a player.
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I see it as the type of person that tabs Young as their best all-time college QB is the same as the one who tabs Barry Sanders their best all-time college RB. They care about peak, whether it's 1 game or 1 season. I disagree, but if a person prefers that and they're consistent with it, fine. Whatever.
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That being said, the problem with holding Young so high is that you're literally ranking him based on the peak of ONE GAME. For an all-time season ranking, this is a mistake....so yes, for a CAREER ranking, it's ludicrous.
Want a great dual-thread season? Cam Newton's 2013 was better than Young's, statistically. And he also won a NC. But he had a better passing season, a bigger rushing season.....very likely had worse players around him.
I'd argue being down 24-0 to a Saban-coached defense and winning the game is every much as impressive as Young's RB performance. But everyone wasn't tuning in, as it wasn't the NCG.
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I think you could say someone who puts Young on their all-time team is lazy. Not as an insult, but with the understanding that they watched that RB, said to themselves that it's the best a player could ever play, and that the case is closed. Easy. No effort. Yeah, lazy.
This is how players of yesteryear often were held in such high esteem, while their statistics don't support it. Who am I talking about?
Guys like Roger Staubach, Archie Manning, Anthony Davis, Tommie Frazier, Joe Montana, etc became legends largely for being great players who had special games or plays.
Earned or not, those games and plays happened and people love witnessing greatness. Don't care about Archie's stats, that game against Bama was legendary. Don't care how bad he played, Montana showed true grit in that Cotton Bowl.
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There are varying degrees of validity, statistically-speaking, but as long as you're consistent, at least that's something.
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career vs single season vs single game vs single play
hard to judge by careers because some didn't get the opportunity for 3 or 4 seasons
almost all got a full single season, but the seasons have more games now than back in the day
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I'd go by median rather than average.
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I'd go by median rather than average.
Yeah, ignoring the good and the bad is brilliant.
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Since there is no "right" I'm going with what I would enjoy watching, of guys I actually watched. Granted my QB might make the WRs negligble
- QB - Tommy Frazier
- RB - Tyrone Wheatley & Reggie Bush
- WR - Peter Warrick & Desmond Howard
- TE - Kellen Winslow :sign0137:
UM only, from my time as a UM fan, that was aware of college football (1990-2004)
- QB - Elvis Grbac
- RB - Tyrone Wheatley & Anthony Thomas
- WR - Desmond Howard & Marquise Walker
- TE - Jerame Tuman
Granted college football as a whole, and specifically in the Big Ten sucked in 2001, but how that was a near Big Ten champion Michigan team, when you look at that offense, is why it's Walker. He was the whole damn offense.
MSU from my time (2005-present)
- QB - Drew Stanton
- RB - Javon Ringer & LeVeon Bell
- WR - Keshawn Martin & Tony Lippett
- TE - Josiah Price
Some tough ones here. Stanton was a victim of the JLS era. As great as KWIII was last year, it was just one year. WR may have been the toughest. I wouldn't be shocked if you told me that since the start of the MD era, MSU has had more all-Big Ten WRs than anyone. But none were clear cut all-timers. They've just had a steady stream of very good WRs
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UM only, from my time as a UM fan, that was aware of college football (1990-2004)
Elvisn't wasn't bad
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Thank You,thank you very much
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Elvis is the easiest answer to "Who had the best career as QB of Michigan?"
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Unless you wanted an option guy, then you'd go with Leach.
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But from Henne to Harbaugh to Brady to any other modern UM QB, Elvis is probably on top. You'd have to do the least amount of word salad if you have him on top.