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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #70 on: November 09, 2020, 08:43:30 PM »
I think we can say Clemson's orange has replaced Tennessee.  The Vols haven't mattered (meaningful games in November or later) since Dec.1, 2007.  SEC Championship game as the underdog vs LSU.  You could be a college football fan following the top 10 late in the year and not have heard the name "Tennessee" in 13 years.

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« Reply #71 on: November 09, 2020, 08:49:32 PM »
The Vols just lost by 2 possessions to Arkansas, whom they shut out in the first half.  That's quite a feat.  
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« Reply #72 on: November 09, 2020, 09:15:01 PM »
Clemson has replaced FSU, not Tennessee imo. Tennessee has stunk way before Clemson ever rose up. FSU dominated the ACC even more spectacularly than the way Clemson has been doing as of late. Clemson’s rise directly coincides with FSU’s fall from grace. 

And Clemson is continually going into Florida and taking 5* kids that used to basically automatically go to FSU. And they’ve been doing it for almost a decade now.
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« Reply #73 on: November 10, 2020, 02:00:50 AM »
I think what FSU did with Fisher might have been worse than what Nebraska did with Solich.  Instead of dumping a guy who was winning, they just let him walk.  And since then - dumpster fire.  


That being said, FSU isn't Tennessee (yet).  Rocky Top is basically Kentucky now.  All the way up through 2016, even as it was replaced atop the ACC, FSU ended each regular season as the 2nd-highest ranked ACC team.  So when Clemson started owning the conference, FSU was still right behind them.  The Noles would need at least 5 more years of craptitude to even begin to be thought of in the same breath as Nebraska or Tennessee.

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« Reply #74 on: November 10, 2020, 02:17:09 AM »
Iowa State has never won a Big 12 or Big 8 Conference championship, ever. And now ISU is #1. Please Michigan, move in and take Campbell. I'd prefer we keep this eternal streak going.
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« Reply #75 on: November 10, 2020, 02:18:06 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on November 10, 2020, 02:00:50 AM
I think what FSU did with Fisher might have been worse than what Nebraska did with Solich.  Instead of dumping a guy who was winning, they just let him walk.  And since then - dumpster fire. 


That being said, FSU isn't Tennessee (yet).  Rocky Top is basically Kentucky now.  All the way up through 2016, even as it was replaced atop the ACC, FSU ended each regular season as the 2nd-highest ranked ACC team.  So when Clemson started owning the conference, FSU was still right behind them.  The Noles would need at least 5 more years of craptitude to even begin to be thought of in the same breath as Nebraska or Tennessee.


No, we are so happy Fisher is gone fishing.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #76 on: November 10, 2020, 07:39:49 AM »
Analogies between programs' rise and falls are always a bit strained of course at the edges.  One item I track (casually) is how many coaches they have had over the past 10-15 years.  A program with say 5 coaches in 15 years is struggling (duh).  I don't know if there is an exception.

It would be interesting to chart coaching changes over 15 years and program success.  (Obviously, a program with limited expectations can keep a coach much longer.)

This reminds me of the old banner some Mets fan brought to Opening Day "Wait 'til next year."

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« Reply #77 on: November 10, 2020, 07:47:24 AM »
OSU has had four coaches in fifteen years without any major struggles, so I would be surprised if there aren't some fairly competent teams that have had five.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #78 on: November 10, 2020, 08:15:46 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 10, 2020, 07:39:49 AM
This reminds me of the old banner some Mets fan brought to Opening Day "Wait 'til next year."
Tribe fans in the'60s/'70s/'80s use do to that also.Think it was 1988 and Letterman started of his monologue with "It's the beginning of the 1988 Major League Baseball Season and the Indians have been eliminated from the Pennant Race.Or one year he was doing his top ten list - reasons why your team wouldn't win the World Series.The number one reason was if the team name rhymed with Schmindians
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #79 on: November 10, 2020, 08:22:32 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on November 10, 2020, 07:47:24 AM
OSU has had four coaches in fifteen years without any major struggles, so I would be surprised if there aren't some fairly competent teams that have had five.
I was thinking about that as a counter example, some special situations would of course be likely.
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« Reply #80 on: November 10, 2020, 09:08:33 AM »
Quote from: Hawkinole on November 10, 2020, 02:18:06 AM
No, we are so happy Fisher is gone fishing.
Brilliant.  


FSU under Jimbo:  .783
FSU since:  .406


Good riddance....if you're a Cane or a Gator.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #81 on: November 10, 2020, 09:09:33 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on November 10, 2020, 07:47:24 AM
OSU has had four coaches in fifteen years without any major struggles, so I would be surprised if there aren't some fairly competent teams that have had five.
This is why OSU has been so great. Jim Tressel is a HOF, NT winning coach, and then they replaced him with an even BETTER coach. And then they had a succession plan in place and handed the keys to a guy that looks like the real deal Holyfield in Ryan Day.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #82 on: November 10, 2020, 09:18:17 AM »
It's interesting that Fickell now looks like a really good coach as well.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #83 on: November 10, 2020, 09:28:08 AM »
So, is he gone after this season, or does he get one more?  My GUESS is he gets one more, at least, to show progress.

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