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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2020, 08:58:52 AM »
I actually think the BBs can drop out of that status, it may take longer now than before.  Imagine a BB Team averages 7 wins a year for 20 years, while say Clemson averages 11 wins a year over that period.  And the 7 wins includes no seasons with more than 10 wins, no major bowl wins, not really much of anything.  And of course high level recruits start dropping them from preliminary consideration.  That is the spiral drain right there, coupled with not having found a coach they keep for more than five years.

Maybe it takes 30 years, dunno.

I bet 5 star guys already have Clemson on their short list, and not Michigan.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2020, 09:11:04 AM »
No one picks Wisconsin over Michigan, even though the two have traded places for the last 20 years.
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« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2020, 09:21:53 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on November 09, 2020, 09:11:04 AM
No one picks Wisconsin over Michigan, even though the two have traded places for the last 20 years.
Ummm...
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2020, 09:28:49 AM »
If I'm a 4+ star recruit, and have no predisposition other than getting to the NFL quickly, I would not be looking at either unless I'm an OL or RB (then Wisconsin might show up).

It obviously is somewhat positionally dependent, and on who is already there.  I'd round up the usual suspects generally speaking, if I'm a CA player for example.

And which programs now dominate the top national recruiting lists year after year?

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« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2020, 10:06:37 AM »
Michigan is still recruiting OK, but not at the level of OSU, etc. UW is closer to Michigan than it is to Nebraska, and has beaten both for many recruits this year.


https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Football/CompositeTeamRankings/
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2020, 10:07:36 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on November 09, 2020, 09:11:04 AM
No one picks Wisconsin over Michigan, even though the two have traded places for the last 20 years.
While not fully no one, generally Michigan still lands more talent. To a degree, I'm not totally worried.

I feel like when a Wisconsin or MSU or Minnesota suddenly steps up in recruiting, the bottom falls out soon after. If it works out peachy, but not about counting tadpoles before they hatch. 
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #34 on: November 09, 2020, 10:14:30 AM »
We all know Wisconsin does a superb job with "mediocre" recruiting (it's not really that bad of course).  Some programs seem to limp with great recruiting (one I know well).  Aside from a Blue Blood being propped up by the media today, the other side of this is losing in recruiting of the elite level players because they have no clue you once were a great program.
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« Reply #35 on: November 09, 2020, 10:15:18 AM »
UW has been recruiting at a very high level under Chryst (based on STARZ AND performance).

I still don't get why 4-5* RB's don't flock to Madison.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #36 on: November 09, 2020, 10:21:19 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on November 09, 2020, 10:15:18 AM
UW has been recruiting at a very high level under Chryst (based on STARZ AND performance).

I still don't get why 4-5* RB's don't flock to Madison.
Compeition?
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« Reply #37 on: November 09, 2020, 10:27:43 AM »
I don't think those kids worry about stuff like that. They all think they are day one starters.
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« Reply #38 on: November 09, 2020, 10:40:16 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on November 09, 2020, 10:27:43 AM
I don't think those kids worry about stuff like that. They all think they are day one starters.
Particularly at RB, where multiple guys can factor
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #39 on: November 09, 2020, 11:17:26 AM »
I heard SOME 5 star RBs explain their decision to go to X over Y because Y was already staffed up.  One thing I do like about the UGA offense is how they rotate.  Folks will get fresh carries and not wear down their legs.

I don't like the rest of it much at all.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #40 on: November 09, 2020, 11:24:43 AM »
Harbaugh's problem isn't recruiting

unless we're just talking about losses to Ohio St.

Michigan is recruiting as well or better than the rest of the conference

much much better than Indiana and Michigan St.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #41 on: November 09, 2020, 11:31:32 AM »
His problem is expectations.  I think UM fans expect to be "elite", and they are not recruiting at the elite level IMHO.

2018  22nd

2019   8th

2020  14th

If you want a very good program, those 247 rankings are just that, very good.  But not elite.
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