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Topic: ESPN's Top 60 QBs of the 2000s

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OrangeAfroMan

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ESPN's Top 60 QBs of the 2000s
« on: March 28, 2021, 07:01:46 PM »
Discuss.
1. Mayfield, OU
2. Newton, AU
3. Young, Tex
4. Tebow, Fla
5. Burrow, LSU
6. Watson, Clem
7. Murray, OU
8. Jackson, UL
9. Mariota, Ore
10. Griffin, Bay
11. Lawrence, Clem
12. McCoy, Tex
13. Manziel, A&M
14. Moore, BSU
15. Bradford, OU
16. Winston, FSU
17. Leinart, USC
18. Luck, Stan
19. Tagovailoa, Bama
20. Rivers, NCST
21. Palmer, USC
22. Keenum, Hou
23. Hurts, Bama/OU
24. Wilson, NCST/Wis
25. White, WV
26. Rethlisberger, Mia (OH)
27. Fields, OSU
28. Grossman, Fla
29. Kaepernick, Nev
30. White, OU
31. Smith, OSU
32.  Harrell, TTU
33. Daniel, Miz
34. Dorsey, Mia (FL)
35. Jones, Bama
36. Jones, OU
37. Smith, Utah
38. Klein, KSU
39. Brennan, Haw
40. Murray, UGA
41. Leftwich, Marsh
42. Crouch, Neb
43. Quinn, ND
44. Manning, OM
45. Trask, Fla
46. Lynch, NIU
47. Robinson, UM
48. LeFevour, CMU
49. Carr, Fresno
50. Banks, Iowa
51. Reynolds, Navy
52. Harrington, Ore
53. Rudolph, OKST
54. Mahomes, TTU
55. Reesing, KU
56. Rodgers, Cal
57. Barkley, USC
58. Wilson, BYU
59. Dalton, TCU
60. Kolb, Hou
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Re: ESPN's Top 60 QBs of the 2000s
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2021, 07:03:39 PM »
Looks like they heavily weighed team success (NC vs non-NC), didn't weigh NFL success (thank Christ), and valued peak over volume.  Personally, I couldn't do a list like this - meshing the 1-year wonders with the 3 and 4-year guys.  I'd have separate lists, by volume of games started.  But the worldwide leader can do whatever it wants.

What say you?
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Re: ESPN's Top 60 QBs of the 2000s
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2021, 07:23:34 PM »
Who were the bottom 60 starting QBs of the 2000s? 
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Re: ESPN's Top 60 QBs of the 2000s
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2021, 08:30:02 PM »
If given a minimum number of pass attempts, we could find out.
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Re: ESPN's Top 60 QBs of the 2000s
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2021, 08:50:33 PM »
I'm glad they put Reynolds in. 

Jason White and Harrington are way too low. Other than that nothing really to complain about. 


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Re: ESPN's Top 60 QBs of the 2000s
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2021, 08:55:20 PM »
How can you justify putting Cam Newton over Joe Burrow?
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Re: ESPN's Top 60 QBs of the 2000s
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2021, 09:00:25 PM »
Seems like peak was rated over career, but then where is Joe Burrow?
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Re: ESPN's Top 60 QBs of the 2000s
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2021, 09:04:46 PM »
Quote from: ELA on March 28, 2021, 09:00:25 PM
Seems like peak was rated over career, but then where is Joe Burrow?
Yeah - like Cam only really played one season, and it was great, but not as great as Burrow's best season. Though they both dragged bad head coaches to a national championship.
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Re: ESPN's Top 60 QBs of the 2000s
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2021, 09:12:41 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on March 28, 2021, 09:04:46 PM
Yeah - like Cam only really played one season, and it was great, but not as great as Burrow's best season. Though they both dragged bad head coaches to a national championship.
I assume it's voted on, so no real structural reason for why anyone is anywhere. 

If one wanted to make the case, Joe had better support and Cam could carry you in the run game. We also saw mildly above average Joe, but not Camp. 

Not that there's really any logic in such a ranking. 
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Re: ESPN's Top 60 QBs of the 2000s
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2021, 10:57:14 PM »
Did any of them QB two National Championship teams? One that did is not on the list.
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Re: ESPN's Top 60 QBs of the 2000s
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2021, 11:38:05 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on March 28, 2021, 08:30:02 PM
If given a minimum number of pass attempts, we could find out.


I dunno. Could go ones that started at least half a season. 
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Re: ESPN's Top 60 QBs of the 2000s
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2021, 07:35:45 PM »
Quote from: ALA2262 on March 28, 2021, 10:57:14 PM
Did any of them QB two National Championship teams? One that did is not on the list.
By this one-dimensional thinking, Trent Dilfer > Dan Marino
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Re: ESPN's Top 60 QBs of the 2000s
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2021, 07:37:22 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on March 28, 2021, 08:55:20 PM
How can you justify putting Cam Newton over Joe Burrow?
Newton had a great passing season (albeit lower volume) AND what Burrow's RB did, all by himself.  Who was Newton's top WR?  Who was his top RB?  
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Newton was great enough to back up Tebow.
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Re: ESPN's Top 60 QBs of the 2000s
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2021, 07:49:27 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on March 28, 2021, 07:23:34 PM
Who were the bottom 60 starting QBs of the 2000s?
I can only find data with a minimum of 700 pass attempts (a lot for labeling a "worst" list, and excludes all of the 1-year wonders and most of the 2-year QBs, too, but that being said, I'm surprised at the worst:
Worst B1G QBs of the 2000s:
1.  Trevor Siemian, NW
2.  Zach Mills, PSU
3.  Anthony Morelli, PSU
4.  Clayton Thorson, NW
5.  Brett Basanez, NW
6.  Wes Lunt, ILL
7.  James Vandenberg, Iowa
8.  C.J. Bacher, NW
9.  Brian Lewerke, MSU
10. Mitch Leidner, Minn
9.  Brian Hoyer, MSU
10. Christian Hackenberg, PSU
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I moved Lewerke and Leidner down off the list because of their positive rushing exploits, which is what kept Juice Williams off the list, too.Most of these guys actually had a better than 1:1 TD to INT ratio, but all of them had crappy yards-per-attempt numbers.  Like awful.
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To show how much the game has changed, Siemian's pass rating is virtually identical to Jeff George's.  George threw for 35 TD and 35 INTs and somehow had like double the sack yardage lost compared to any other QB, going back decades.  He was drafted solely on one attribute and maybe that's why his career transpired the way it did.
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