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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #476 on: July 08, 2021, 01:25:29 PM »
Probably not, but it should carry just about anything you can get into the bed that is "normal" work stuff.

I think a lot of folks get the 2500 just because, not because they need it really, but informed buyers would know what they need.  We get work trucks in the parking area frequently and I notice a lot of "plumbers" have 2500s, with little in the back.

Most have 150s of course.


I drive a F-250, when I drive. (For the last 8-9 years, I have worked at home and the truck sits most of the time). I bought it because I have a camper (travel trailer) that weighs 10,500 lbs dry, probably close to 13,000 loaded up. I have taken it as far as the Washington DC area. As I live in Northern Ohio, that means that I had to pull it through the mountains of Pennsylvania. That is too much for a half ton pickup to do and frankly, was probably a little much for the F-250. There were are few mountains where I had wished I'd had at least a F-350 or a diesel. 

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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #477 on: July 08, 2021, 01:30:54 PM »
No doubt folks who tow a lot need something else.  I looked in our parking lot today where the workers park their trucks, there were four, one was a 2500, the rest 150s.

The 2500 was for an HVAC company.  He had a cover over his bed, so I don't know what he carries around.  I don't imagine it's THAT heavy, but he may do commercial work.

I still think the Lightning is a good option for a lot of work trucks, not all of course, and it's pricey, but not compared with the regular F150.

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« Reply #478 on: July 08, 2021, 02:04:26 PM »
I don't have a desire to "sit up high" while driving, but I cannot freakin' stand crawling down into low cars. Being tall and getting in and out of a low-slung sedan is painful.

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« Reply #479 on: July 08, 2021, 02:10:42 PM »
give it 25 years

it's much worse
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« Reply #480 on: July 08, 2021, 02:37:57 PM »
I don't have a desire to "sit up high" while driving, but I cannot freakin' stand crawling down into low cars. Being tall and getting in and out of a low-slung sedan is painful.
I have had both knees replaced and have developed a sore back. The thought of trying to sit down into a car or trying to get out is painful. I'm 6'2" and I much prefer stepping up into a vehicle. 

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« Reply #481 on: July 08, 2021, 02:43:38 PM »
No knee stuff with me, but I have had two back surgeries including a lumber fusion.

For me, getting in and out of a car is better.

Got an appointment to see this one over the weekend. :)

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« Reply #482 on: July 08, 2021, 03:18:37 PM »
I don't have a desire to "sit up high" while driving, but I cannot freakin' stand crawling down into low cars. Being tall and getting in and out of a low-slung sedan is painful.
This is true.  I've driven Corvettes and have this issue, even my GTI is a bit low.

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« Reply #483 on: July 08, 2021, 03:21:57 PM »
How GM's Ultium Battery Will Help It Commit to an Electric Future (caranddriver.com)
How GM's Ultium Battery Will Help It Commit to an Electric Future (caranddriver.com)

IF that is mostly true, the future for EVs looks brighter than I thought a year ago, considerably.  IF.

I now think "it" is coming faster than many expect.

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« Reply #484 on: July 08, 2021, 03:40:21 PM »
This is of course not my bad idea about using two charging ports, but it is fascinating:

 On some Ultium vehicles, such as the Hummer, the top and bottom layers can be temporarily switched from a parallel to a series connection, doubling the voltage to 800. This lets it take full advantage of the highest-output 800-volt Electrify America fast-charging stations. Fittingly, the Hummer's ability to charge at 350 kilowatts means it can draw electricity quicker than any EV on the market today. By switching the pack from 400 to 800 volts for fast-charging, GM avoids paying for the more expensive componentry that's required for an EV to operate at the higher voltage all the time, as the Porsche Taycan does. The Taycan is currently the only EV out there that's capable of charging at 800 volts, albeit at a lower 270-kW peak.

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« Reply #485 on: July 08, 2021, 04:33:29 PM »
fast charging is also harder on batteries, I've been told
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« Reply #486 on: July 08, 2021, 04:42:59 PM »
I might could get interested in the 'lectric Jeep...



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« Reply #487 on: July 09, 2021, 11:57:35 AM »
The whole thing about EV's is that we will as consumers soon have a choice.  Sure, EV's are higher than comparable gas cars, but the prices are expected to fall, as as prices fall, the batteries will become much larger over time.  Right now the single limiting factor on EV's are the batteries.  For cost, size, weight, everything.  We are at the beginning stages, so what works for us today with current technology may not be the case in 10 years.  

An EV is not a great choice for me either because I frequently tow my boat 80+ miles round trip (to Matagorda harbor).  But if I could charge my truck up at the harbor, for much less than what I'm paying in gas I would definitely consider.  

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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #488 on: July 09, 2021, 11:59:28 AM »
I think that Lightning truck could tow your boat 80 miles.  

We Bet F-150 Lightning Range Is under 100 Miles with Heavy Towing (caranddriver.com)

That estimate is towing max, 10,000 pounds.

The pace of progress is faster than I expected even a year ago, I'm impressed with what I'm reading.

And the cost of electricity would be a lot less than gas costs.

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« Reply #489 on: July 09, 2021, 12:24:23 PM »
I think that Lightning truck could tow your boat 80 miles. 

We Bet F-150 Lightning Range Is under 100 Miles with Heavy Towing (caranddriver.com)

That estimate is towing max, 10,000 pounds.

The pace of progress is faster than I expected even a year ago, I'm impressed with what I'm reading.

And the cost of electricity would be a lot less than gas costs.
No doubt it could tow it, but I'm not towing something 80 miles when the range is only 100.  I'd want to have at least double the range I need unless I could stop along the way and charge in 5 minutes.  Just like filling up my gas truck right?  

But I seriously know that "filling up" will probably never be 5 minutes.  Realistically I think a 15 minute fill up is much more reasonable, and the vast majority of people who stop at a gas station will spend ~10-20 minutes in there anyways using the bathroom, buying drinks/snacks, standing in line.  

I think this is really the key.  How fast can you "fill up" when you need, and how much range does it give you?  One limitation is that the EV vehicles will (should?) always be heavier than their gas counterparts.  They are heavier now, and as batteries come down in price they will continue to get larger and larger to have longer ranges.  Conceivably you would really need a battery that is 2x the energy capacity that you have now to make an EV really competitive with gas cars/trucks.  Once you can drive those suckers 4-500 miles without recharging I think that is the inflection point, as most people can't drive much further than that without stopping/breaking anyways.  I know I can't.  

For example, from Houston, TX (nearest metro area to me) it would be like driving all the way to Norman, Oklahoma without stopping.  I just made this drive in April, I think we had to stop for gas 2x anyways.  Or maybe we stopped to eat and use the bathroom.  I can't remember now.  

Data has always been sparse on towing kWh consumption up till now, I'm anxious to see what the numbers look like.  For information purposes my father in laws Bolt gets 5 miles per kWh, or 20 kWh per 100 miles.  Reports are the trucks are averaging 2-3 miler per kWh, so I'd expect towing moderate loads to be about .8-1.2 miles per kWh.  

 

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