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Topic: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level

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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #350 on: May 20, 2021, 06:00:30 PM »
We Bet F-150 Lightning Range Is under 100 Miles with Heavy Towing (caranddriver.com)

For folks with bank and who drive a pickup around town exclusively, this seems like a decent option, to me.

But if you want to tow 10,000 lbs 500 miles, not.



There is zero chance it will be a reasonable choice for people that tow a lot. 

Hybrid is the correct "green" technology for that use case.

Also, ever notice how any time the manufacturers want to show how "cool" a truck is, it's towing an Airstream?  Yeah, they really are the coolest.

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« Reply #351 on: May 20, 2021, 06:59:58 PM »
That may not be a Ford image.  Very short haul towing would be OK.  Like from the boat dock to the marina.

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« Reply #352 on: May 20, 2021, 08:07:27 PM »
That may not be a Ford image.  Very short haul towing would be OK.  Like from the boat dock to the marina.
Ford Image, Chevy Image, Dodge image.  They all love to use Airstreams to bolster their brands.  As they should.


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« Reply #353 on: May 20, 2021, 11:06:10 PM »
it's simple

airstream owners have a huge  carbon footprint
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« Reply #354 on: May 21, 2021, 02:53:29 PM »
Herbert Diess, just like Tesla's Elon Musk, seems to be on the same page with full commitment to battery-electric cars and distancing themselves from hydrogen. Tesla and Volkswagen Group are the #1 and #3 largest automotive groups in terms of BEVs sales globally right now.

https://insideevs.com/news/508443/vw-herbert-diess-hydrogen-cars/?fbclid=IwAR2_zqi-PQHp_kHX9hl30O_Ptj8Ta3cD-tM98ygfbJ8ho9-G-QMPT47nRz4

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« Reply #355 on: May 21, 2021, 03:44:14 PM »
May be an image of 1 person and text that says 'Auto Oven Cooks Hot Dogs WANT a hot dog on the road? Just plug this heater into your car's electrical system. It cooks two wieners in three to five minutes. Priced at $3.95, it also comes in a 115-volt version for the home. It is called the Hot Dog Sizzlero and is made by the Thomas Manufacturing Co., of Chicago.'
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« Reply #356 on: May 22, 2021, 12:44:14 AM »
Herbert Diess, just like Tesla's Elon Musk, seems to be on the same page with full commitment to battery-electric cars and distancing themselves from hydrogen. Tesla and Volkswagen Group are the #1 and #3 largest automotive groups in terms of BEVs sales globally right now.

https://insideevs.com/news/508443/vw-herbert-diess-hydrogen-cars/?fbclid=IwAR2_zqi-PQHp_kHX9hl30O_Ptj8Ta3cD-tM98ygfbJ8ho9-G-QMPT47nRz4

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The electric lithium battery powered car is a bridge car to another car of a different fuel, which I believe will probably be hydrogen. The electric car will lower emissions, somewhat. 

Although hydrogen cars are currently on the market in the USA, they probably will not gain much market share for another 10+ years as there is almost no infrastructure in place. California has some limited hydrogen infrastructure. 

How will no longer useful lithium batteries be disposed? 

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« Reply #357 on: May 22, 2021, 10:44:46 AM »
How do you get hydrogen?

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« Reply #358 on: May 22, 2021, 12:19:37 PM »
How do you get hydrogen?
You just need some water molecules and a samurai sword, duh.
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« Reply #359 on: May 25, 2021, 09:38:58 AM »
for the chemist...........

Scientists at the U.S. Department of Energy's Pacific Northwest National Laboratory (PNNL) have found that a bright yellow powder, known as common fluorenone, is a frontrunner in using low-cost organic compounds that step away from traditional lithium-ion batteries.

The material has proven to be a stable, energy-dense source when partnered with flow battery systems that store energy for grids, despite taking some “chemical persuasion” at first.


https://www.euronews.com/green/2021/05/24/meet-clean-energy-s-unlikely-secret-weapon-scented-candles

Common fluorenone is readily available as a waste product from coal tar and from the manufacture of benzoic acid, a common food additive.

It can successfully synthesise into a tiny battery no larger than a postage stamp that holds incredible energy density, losing only 3 per cent of its energy capacity throughout the duration of the experiment.

PNNL’s battery operated continuously for 120 days, ending only when other equipment unrelated to the battery itself wore out. The battery went through 1,111 full cycles of charging and discharging, the equivalent of several years of operation under normal circumstances.

The speed and high energy retention of this battery could sidestep many of the issues that come with keeping clean energy grids going in the face of structural and severe weather challenges.

"This is a great demonstration of using molecular engineering to change a material from one widely considered impossible for use into something useful for energy storage," says Wei Wang, who leads the flow battery team.
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« Reply #360 on: May 25, 2021, 09:40:56 AM »
Three years ago, scientists at the University of Michigan discovered an artificial photosynthesis device made of silicon and gallium nitride (Si/GaN) that harnesses sunlight into carbon-free hydrogen for fuel cells with twice the efficiency and stability of some previous technologies.

Now, scientists at Lawrence Livermore and Lawrence Berkeley national laboratories – in collaboration with the University of Michigan – have uncovered a surprising, self-improving property in Si/GaN that contributes to the material’s highly efficient and stable performance in converting light and water into carbon-free hydrogen. The research, reported in Nature Materials, could help radically accelerate the commercialization of artificial photosynthesis technologies and hydrogen fuel cells. 

Materials in solar fuels systems usually degrade, become less stable, and as a result produce hydrogen less efficiently, but the team found an unusual property in Si/GaN that somehow enables it to become more efficient and stable.

Previous artificial photosynthesis materials are either excellent light absorbers that lack durability or they are durable materials that lack light-absorption efficiency.

But silicon and gallium nitride are abundant and cheap materials that are widely used as semiconductors in everyday electronics such as LEDs (light-emitting diodes) and solar cells, said co-author Zetian Mi, a professor of electrical and computer engineering at the University of Michigan who invented Si/GaN artificial photosynthesis devices a decade ago.

When Mi’s Si/GaN device achieved a record-breaking 3 percent solar-to-hydrogen efficiency, he wondered how such ordinary materials could perform so extraordinarily well in an exotic artificial photosynthesis device – so he turned to senior author and Berkeley Lab scientist Francesca Toma for help.


https://scitechdaily.com/unusual-property-in-hydrogen-fuel-device-discovered-could-be-ultimate-guide-to-self-improvement/

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« Reply #361 on: May 25, 2021, 09:46:10 AM »
I drove my friend's Tesla this weekend.   The only thing that remains disorienting is the pedal/regenerative braking.   Wonderful car otherwise. 

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« Reply #362 on: May 25, 2021, 10:15:54 AM »
I love hearing about material/technology advances made in a lab, but I always take that with a grain of salt. 

Proving you can do something in a lab and proving that you can actually produce it at scale and economically are two WIDELY different things. 

There are tons of results proven in a lab that a press release states are going to revolutionize our world. Maybe one of 100 actually does it? Maybe fewer than even that?

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« Reply #363 on: May 25, 2021, 11:26:53 AM »
agreed, but it does give me some hope that a breakthrough could happen
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