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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #336 on: May 20, 2021, 02:35:35 PM »
regardless of trim package

EVs cost much more than their gasser counterparts
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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #337 on: May 20, 2021, 02:39:51 PM »
The 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning Can Power Your House, a Lot Elseā€”for a While (motortrend.com)

Plug into a 150-kW DC fast charger and the battery can fill from 15 to 80 percent charge in just 41 minutes, gaining as much as 54 miles in 10 minutes. With the extended-range battery and dual-charger plugged into an 80-amp Ford Charge Station Pro charger, the system can take the battery from 15 to 100 percent charge in 8 hours, or roughly 30 miles per hour of charging.

Now the fully electric 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning leapfrogs that capability by making it possible to power an entire average home for about three days through its charging cord.

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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #338 on: May 20, 2021, 03:22:07 PM »
We Bet F-150 Lightning Range Is under 100 Miles with Heavy Towing (caranddriver.com)

For folks with bank and who drive a pickup around town exclusively, this seems like a decent option, to me.

But if you want to tow 10,000 lbs 500 miles, not.


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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #339 on: May 20, 2021, 03:44:14 PM »
regardless of trim package

EVs cost much more than their gasser counterparts
The problem with that statement is "their gasser counterparts" is a really hard thing to define...

Look at the ubiquitous Tesla Model 3. They like to compare themselves to luxury sedans, such as the BMW 3-series or the Lexus ES.

The base Tesla Model 3 starts at $38K, and will do 0-60 in 5.3s. The base BMW 3-series starts at a little over $41K, and will do 0-60 in 5.6s. The base Lexus ES starts at 40K, and will do 0-60 in 6.6s.

Now, you may say that 0-60 performance isn't all that, and I completely agree. But one of the key metrics that people rave about with EVs is their instant torque and acceleration, so for a sporty luxury sedan, performance isn't something that doesn't matter at all.

If you then start looking at performance models, the Model 3 Performance starts at $55.5K and does 0-60 in 3.1s. The BMW M340i jumps to about $55K as well and does it in 4.4s, or you can go all the way up to the M3 Competition to get to about $73K and 3.8s. The Lexus ES F Sport is much less expensive, of course, not getting past $50K, but all of the performance gains are suspension, not acceleration.

If you max out the build options on that Model 3 Performance, including the Full Self Driving* package, you get to $68.5K. If you (pretty much) max out all the options on the M340i, you get to $65K.

So, when you look at the car that Tesla considers in its class**, it's actually fairly competitively priced.

* Full Self Driving not actually being full self driving; rather it's just advanced driver assistance.
** The argument against would be that Teslas are not as luxurious as a BMW... But Tesla fanbois will argue that with you until they run out of breath.

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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #340 on: May 20, 2021, 03:50:01 PM »
EVs excel at acceleration, even the relatively humble Chevy Bolt.

The F-150 is supposed to start in the low $40 K range which is competitive with an equivalent F-150 ICE truck.

I'm impressed really.

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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #341 on: May 20, 2021, 03:52:21 PM »
The Model 3 is old man ass ugly.

Only the Model S looks nice.
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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #342 on: May 20, 2021, 03:55:13 PM »
my interest level in EVs is weak regardless of looks

I'm not even interested in an Electric golf cart

but, I'm an old man
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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #343 on: May 20, 2021, 04:02:01 PM »
I think EVs are "getting there", and faster than I imagined, but are not quite there yet.

One factor that could come into play is the impact on gasoline pricing down the road.  At some point, EVs will likely reach an appreciable percentage that cuts gasoline usage and demand, which should cut prices.


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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #344 on: May 20, 2021, 04:12:03 PM »
in the same respect, if demand for gas powered vehicles is lowered significantly, the pricing could also drop for a new F-150 w/o lightning
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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #345 on: May 20, 2021, 04:17:36 PM »
35,000 trees............



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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #346 on: May 20, 2021, 04:30:40 PM »
The Model 3 is old man ass ugly.

Only the Model S looks nice.
The S is a damn good looking car. It's sleek and literally everything works, design-wise. They nailed it.

The X is a nondescript bubble. 

The 3 is generally a decent-looking car, but that platypus front end just ruins everything. 

The Y is profoundly boring, but again would be a much better looking car without the platypus nose.

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« Reply #347 on: May 20, 2021, 04:52:29 PM »
Holy crap that's bad.

Inspiration for that must have been...


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« Reply #348 on: May 20, 2021, 04:58:25 PM »
Holy crap that's bad.

Inspiration for that must have been...



That's ugly, but at least it's functional. 

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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #349 on: May 20, 2021, 04:58:49 PM »
Now do you have to have your testicles removed before you are allowed to step onto the lot? Or do they just do that while they are finalizing the sale, and filling out the paperwork? 
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