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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1358 on: March 04, 2024, 06:38:15 AM »
How Much Does It Cost to Charge an Electric Car? - Road & Track (roadandtrack.com)
How Much Does It Cost to Charge an Electric Car? - Road & Track (roadandtrack.com)

A good bit of detail.

Similar to L2 chargers, public fast-charging networks tend to have different pricing structures. The high infrastructure cost makes free fast-charging largely a thing of the past unless in an ad-supported model, but between monthly memberships, billing-per-minute, and ToU rates, many models are being tested. In the NYC metro area at the time of writing, you might see the following approximate pricing for the major players:

BP Pulse: $0.49/kWh + $3/hr or $0.35/kWh
Electrify America: $0.48/kWh or $0.36/kWh + $4 monthly membership
EVgo: $0.23–$0.42/kWh or $0.99/session + $0.43/kWh overnight, $0.56/kWh off-peak, $0.69/kWh on-peak
EvolveNY: $0.35/kWh
Revel: $0.49/kWh
Tesla: $0.28–$0.36/kWh

You need around 30 kWhrs to go 100 miles, so that compares with about 3 gallons for a reasonably efficient ICE.  If you have a plug in, charging at home is a must most of the time to save money.

The reality is that, as of right now, few people rely exclusively on public DCFC chargers. Most people do the majority of their charging at home, and those who do not tend to find L2 chargers elsewhere—either at work, a monthly parking garage, or increasingly at the curbside. This means that for many, the true average cost of charging an EV is closer to the $0.15/kWh that homeowners pay (per 2022 national-average pricing) than it is to the $0.50/kWh common at public fast-chargers.

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1359 on: March 04, 2024, 10:43:31 AM »
That looks complicated to me, unduly so, but probably not many tow an F-150.  I see folks towing CR Vs fairly often and think it might be ruining their AWD.



It takes a minute or so, not sure how "unduly complicated" that is, to completely disengage all wheels from the transmission. 

As you're pointing out right now, many vehicles can't be flat-towed at all, so having the ability to do so for the best-selling vehicle in the USA seems like a pretty big deal to me.

The info I looked up on the interwebz seems to indicate that the Honda CRV 2014 and older models can be flat-towed but that models 2015 and newer can not be.

I don't really see a lot of Hondas being used as "toads" down here in Texico.  Probably >50% of dinghy-towed vehicles I see, are Jeep Wranglers.


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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1360 on: March 04, 2024, 10:47:23 AM »
I likely notice the CRVs because I was in the market for one for a while (and owned one way back, it was a manual).  

"Unduly complicated" to me is about anything requiring a sequence of more than 3 steps.  I'm lazy.

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1361 on: March 04, 2024, 11:21:59 AM »
I'm lazy.
Then you'd probably not like RV life anyway. :57:

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1362 on: March 04, 2024, 11:27:06 AM »
As you're pointing out right now, many vehicles can't be flat-towed at all, so having the ability to do so for the best-selling vehicle in the USA seems like a pretty big deal to me.
what percentage of sales might they lose to make it a pretty big deal?
I'd guess less than 1% of buyers of F150's ever tow them
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« Reply #1363 on: March 04, 2024, 12:39:21 PM »
what percentage of sales might they lose to make it a pretty big deal?
I'd guess less than 1% of buyers of F150's ever tow them

No idea.

It's not uncommon though, to see an F150 towed behind a motorhome, around here.  If Jeep Wranglers are maybe 55% of what I see, F150s are maybe 10%? 

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1364 on: March 04, 2024, 01:15:58 PM »
In 2023, more than 700,000 customers chose a new Ford F-Series truck

I suppose 7,000 of those sold in 23 could be towed once in a while - mostly in Texas
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« Reply #1365 on: March 04, 2024, 01:42:46 PM »
In 2023, more than 700,000 customers chose a new Ford F-Series truck

I suppose 7,000 of those sold in 23 could be towed once in a while - mostly in Texas
I'm not trying to say 10% of F150s are towed behind motorhomes.  I'm saying I'd guess about 10% of the vehicles I see towed behind motorhomes, are F150s.

Regardless it's an interesting option to have for a truck.  The vast majority of people that own 4x4 vehicles don't ever use that capability, but it's clearly an option they value having, otherwise they'd just buy the 2WD versions of those vehicles.

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1366 on: March 04, 2024, 02:19:55 PM »
Many of the light trucks I see have no appearance of ever being used as a truck, much less a 4x4..  I suspect most could get by just fine with a smaller SUV or station wagon or minivan.

Trucks of course are manly.


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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1367 on: March 04, 2024, 02:36:48 PM »
Many of the light trucks I see have no appearance of ever being used as a truck, much less a 4x4..  I suspect most could get by just fine with a smaller SUV or station wagon or minivan.

Trucks of course are manly.
I miss my truck. I know it was only a Ford Ranger, but having a truck around to haul crap that you don't want inside your car cabin is a really useful thing, even if you don't make use of it for that all that often. When I sold it it had >100K on it and I only got $2700 for it, and for years after that I thought to myself "maybe I should have just kept it--yeah it'll have to be registered and insured, but when I need it for truck stuff, it'll sure come in handy..."

A few years down the road when it's time for the Flex to be replaced, don't be shocked if I end up with an F-150 Lightning (or similar). It's not that I do "truck stuff" very often (and I'll keep the Jeep for 4x4 type fun), but it's nice to have the option. 

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1368 on: March 04, 2024, 02:44:11 PM »
I used to borrow my neighbors S-10 when I needed one for mulch or whatever.  After he moved, I rented a truck from Mennards a few times for $20.  When I had a minivan, I could pretty much tote anything I needed except loose mulch/top soil.  Minivans are marvelous(ly boring).

Anyway, I've learned some things here about EVs, like how plugging into two outlets won't help.

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1369 on: March 04, 2024, 03:50:37 PM »
I took this last week near Houston.

New chargers installed at Shell gas station.

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1370 on: March 04, 2024, 03:55:26 PM »
Dang. It tilted it.

I edited the picture to rotate, it still flipped it. 

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1371 on: March 04, 2024, 03:57:40 PM »
I took this last week near Houston.

New chargers installed at Shell gas station.
I'd put a couple at the hotel

or tourist attractions

places where folks are going to spend more than a few minutes
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