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« Reply #1288 on: February 06, 2024, 09:37:31 PM »
General Motors (GM) and Honda have introduced their groundbreaking joint venture, Fuel Cell System Manufacturing (FCSM), investing $85 million in an advanced Michigan facility for large-scale hydrogen fuel cell production.
The 70,000-square-foot facility aims to enhance performance, durability, and cost-effectiveness of hydrogen fuel cells.
The collaboration positions GM and Honda as leaders in sustainable transportation, with Honda planning to implement the new hydrogen system in its CR-V model by 2024.
The hydrogen fuel cell system is expected to cost one-third as much as its predecessor, contributing to broader accessibility of sustainable technology.
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« Reply #1289 on: February 09, 2024, 09:49:06 AM »
How Long Should An Electric Car's Battery Last? (insideevs.com)
How Long Should An Electric Car's Battery Last? (insideevs.com)

nsurance site The Zebra surveyed Americans last year, finding that the average length of car ownership is about eight years. The good news is that EVs have long battery warranties, and most can be expected to offer a usable life of between eight and 12 years. Automakers are required to provide at least an eight-year/100,000-mile warranty for electric vehicles, and EVs sold in California are required to have a ten-year/150,000-mile battery warranty.

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« Reply #1290 on: February 09, 2024, 10:36:43 AM »
Given that charging away from home costs the same, or more, as gasoline, and batteries last ~10 years (after which the car is basically valueless, or nearly so), and they wear tires quickly (apparently), why should I buy one?

(I've noted before, if you charge at home and it's a second car, it COULD make sense.)
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« Reply #1291 on: February 09, 2024, 11:04:48 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 09, 2024, 10:36:43 AM
Given that charging away from home costs the same, or more, as gasoline, and batteries last ~10 years (after which the car is basically valueless, or nearly so), and they wear tires quickly (apparently), why should I buy one?

(I've noted before, if you charge at home and it's a second car, it COULD make sense.)
You shouldn't. The advantages of EVs are things you can't really take advantage of, so you're basically stuck living with the disadvantages. 

They're not for everyone and every situation. If you can't charge cheaply at home, which is the biggest advantage, there's not much in it. 

I think the battery life thing is still speculation. Musk says that Tesla batteries should last 300-500K miles. Of course you know how much credence I put in anything HE says... But I think with proper thermal management, these batteries may last long enough to not be a concern. 

Tires are an issue due to weight, of course, and possibly due to power if people are driving the EVs hard because of their acceleration. But that's also balanced by reduction in brake usage and seemingly in other maintenance costs, so I don't know how big of an issue it will be.

Judging by the cars some of you folks here drive, I'm pretty sure you're already working with pretty substantial tire budgets :57:
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« Reply #1292 on: February 09, 2024, 11:17:25 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on February 09, 2024, 11:04:48 AM
You shouldn't. The advantages of EVs are things you can't really take advantage of, so you're basically stuck living with the disadvantages.

They're not for everyone and every situation. If you can't charge cheaply at home, which is the biggest advantage, there's not much in it.

I think the battery life thing is still speculation. Musk says that Tesla batteries should last 300-500K miles. Of course you know how much credence I put in anything HE says... But I think with proper thermal management, these batteries may last long enough to not be a concern.

Tires are an issue due to weight, of course, and possibly due to power if people are driving the EVs hard because of their acceleration. But that's also balanced by reduction in brake usage and seemingly in other maintenance costs, so I don't know how big of an issue it will be.

Judging by the cars some of you folks here drive, I'm pretty sure you're already working with pretty substantial tire budgets :57:

Pickups and Jeeps, and now my daughter's Mustang. We're not living in a world of cheap tires that's for sure.
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« Reply #1293 on: February 09, 2024, 02:26:12 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on February 09, 2024, 11:17:25 AM
Pickups and Jeeps, and now my daughter's Mustang. We're not living in a world of cheap tires that's for sure.

Same.
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« Reply #1294 on: February 09, 2024, 03:10:26 PM »
10 year batteries???

a large percentage of vehicles on the road older than 10 years

the Auto industry would love to have most folks scrapping vehicles after 10-12 years
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« Reply #1295 on: February 10, 2024, 08:09:46 AM »
What happens to the spent batteries?
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« Reply #1296 on: February 10, 2024, 08:35:00 AM »
"Eventually", they would get reprocessed.  Currently it's expensive and they basically have negative value.

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« Reply #1297 on: February 10, 2024, 08:36:54 AM »
An Analysis of Average Age of Cars on the Road (hedgescompany.com)

12.4 years, on average, it's probably longer for light duty trucks.  

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« Reply #1298 on: February 10, 2024, 08:40:23 AM »
Mine is 10.5 years old. Still looks and feels like new.
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« Reply #1299 on: February 10, 2024, 08:42:18 AM »
Cars today clearly last a lot longer than in the 1960s.   Rust is one aspect of that.  Expense is another, but overall quality and durability is way better.

I recall spending a lot of time on weekend on routine maintenance.
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« Reply #1300 on: February 10, 2024, 08:46:35 AM »
if the batteries don't last 15 years then the average is gonna trend down

I suppose a certain percentage of 20 year old vehicles on the road today have had an engine or other significant replacement, but not a very high percentage
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« Reply #1301 on: February 10, 2024, 08:47:43 AM »
I view it as another reason to "wait", one of many.  Maybe we'll have some battery breakthrough or a Mr. Fusion Junior.
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