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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1008 on: November 20, 2023, 09:23:26 AM »
The other issue is it probably won't be $35 K when it actually becomes available.  You would get the $7500 tax credit, so that makes up some difference.

But we've all noted the gas savings isn't that great in most places.
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« Reply #1009 on: November 20, 2023, 09:26:18 AM »
How much energy goes into making the batteries, what is the energy source, and what is the energy to ship them here from the CCP?

I've read elsewhere that it can take up to 7 years before an EV becomes carbon-neutral.

Just in time to buy a new battery.
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« Reply #1010 on: November 20, 2023, 09:30:06 AM »
of all the folks railing against the green new deal and throwing money uselessly at a problem

I don't hear of much push to eliminate the $7500 credit

I suppose there is an end date when it expires, although a quick google search didn't show one.
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1011 on: November 20, 2023, 09:33:59 AM »
Ultium batteries are assembled in the US (GM).  I don't know how much energy is needed to make them.  The Tesla battery packs are lasting over 200 K miles (usually).

Because EVs are dirtier to build but cleaner to drive, Woodley explained, they must meet certain mileage thresholds before environmental advantages are realized. In the U.S., the typical non-luxury EV needs to log between 28,069 and 68,160 miles before netting any emissions benefits.Aug 28, 2023

When buying an EV increases your carbon footprint — Harvard Gazette

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« Reply #1012 on: November 20, 2023, 09:34:03 AM »
The $7500 credit is garbage for those of us taxpayers who will not buy EV's.
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« Reply #1013 on: November 20, 2023, 09:35:33 AM »
The tax benefit, which was recently modified by the Inflation Reduction Act for years 2023 through 2032, allows for a maximum credit of $7,500 for new EVs, and up to $4,000, limited to 30% of the sale price, for used EVs.

EV Tax Credit 2023-2024: How It Works, What Qualifies - NerdWallet

One plug in hybrid gets the credit.  Nothing else.
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« Reply #1014 on: November 20, 2023, 09:35:36 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 20, 2023, 09:33:59 AM
Ultium batteries are assembled in the US (GM).  I don't know how much energy is needed to make them.  The Tesla battery packs are lasting over 200 K miles (usually).

Because EVs are dirtier to build but cleaner to drive, Woodley explained, they must meet certain mileage thresholds before environmental advantages are realized. In the U.S., the typical non-luxury EV needs to log between 28,069 and 68,160 miles before netting any emissions benefits.Aug 28, 2023

When buying an EV increases your carbon footprint — Harvard Gazette


We drive about 6-8K miles per year.
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« Reply #1015 on: November 20, 2023, 09:36:00 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 20, 2023, 09:35:33 AM
The tax benefit, which was recently modified by the Inflation Reduction Act for years 2023 through 2032, allows for a maximum credit of $7,500 for new EVs, and up to $4,000, limited to 30% of the sale price, for used EVs.
Hybrids?
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1016 on: November 20, 2023, 09:37:00 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on November 20, 2023, 09:34:03 AM
The $7500 credit is garbage for those of us taxpayers who will not buy EV's.
It's also a regressive "tax", because very few lower income people will buy an EV.  It's mostly for the better off folks.  There is a $4000 credit for used EVs.

And it's a subsidy for GM et al.  They can price EVs with that in mind.
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« Reply #1017 on: November 20, 2023, 09:37:26 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on November 20, 2023, 09:26:18 AM
How much energy goes into making the batteries, what is the energy source, and what is the energy to ship them here from the CCP?

I've read elsewhere that it can take up to 7 years before an EV becomes carbon-neutral.

Just in time to buy a new battery.
great questions for why the Gov would give tax credits for a something
but for me, being selfish.....
What is cheaper to operate  for a 5 year or 10 year period?
Total cost of ownership
Can I save $1000 in 5 years and $2000 in 10 years?
or will it cost me more to operate an EV?
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« Reply #1018 on: November 20, 2023, 09:40:15 AM »
At this point in time, I would NOT buy an EV.  I would think about a plugin hybrid, though they cost a lot more than regular hybrids.  My GUESS is that in a decade or so, EVs will start to look appealing overall, infrastructure is better, batteries are better, etc.
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« Reply #1019 on: November 20, 2023, 09:48:01 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 20, 2023, 09:33:59 AM
typical non-luxury EV needs to log between 28,069 and 68,160 miles before netting any emissions benefits.

I would hope this takes into account the percentage of coal powered generation
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« Reply #1020 on: November 20, 2023, 09:55:39 AM »
I think this whole thing is a scam. Sorry.
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« Reply #1021 on: November 20, 2023, 10:03:00 AM »
you're not really sorry
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