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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #994 on: November 18, 2023, 10:41:14 AM »
all of them

the upfront cost seems high for electrics, and then insurance
not so sure about trade/resell value / depreciation
Lowest price Model 3 brand new on the Tesla web site for existing inventory is a shade over $36K. Drop the $7500 tax credit on that and it's a net of $28.5K. That's the same as a base model Camry Hybrid. 

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« Reply #995 on: November 18, 2023, 10:52:27 AM »
Lowest price Model 3 brand new on the Tesla web site for existing inventory is a shade over $36K. Drop the $7500 tax credit on that and it's a net of $28.5K. That's the same as a base model Camry Hybrid.

Except it's not the same.

The Model 3 interior sucks. The seats suck. Getting in and out sucks (I'm 5-9). Forget about the back seats. The ride sucks.

The Camry is a very comfortable, nice-riding car.
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« Reply #996 on: November 18, 2023, 10:57:50 AM »
how bout the Camry gasser?

the $7500 credit... is that a federal thing or better in Cali than some states?
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« Reply #997 on: November 18, 2023, 12:09:19 PM »
Except it's not the same.

The Model 3 interior sucks. The seats suck. Getting in and out sucks (I'm 5-9). Forget about the back seats. The ride sucks.

The Camry is a very comfortable, nice-riding car.
Hell, I compared a Tesla to a Toyota as an insult to Tesla owners who think they should be compared to BMW...

I didn't know I was insulting Toyota by comparing them to Tesla... :57:

how bout the Camry gasser?

the $7500 credit... is that a federal thing or better in Cali than some states?
Federal.

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« Reply #998 on: November 18, 2023, 02:13:11 PM »
hah, and folks don't like subsidies for ethanol
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« Reply #999 on: November 18, 2023, 02:22:34 PM »
Hell, I compared a Tesla to a Toyota as an insult to Tesla owners who think they should be compared to BMW...

I didn't know I was insulting Toyota by comparing them to Tesla... :57:
Federal.
I've driven both as rentals. No comparison. Tesla sucks.

Even the S.

No comparison to and M-B S class or BMW 7 series - or even the E class or 5 series.

Not even close.
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« Reply #1000 on: November 19, 2023, 05:43:29 AM »
I rode in a Tesla X, the SUV-like version.  My son had rented it for a trip.  My wife liked it.  I thought it was decent, they are spartan inside, which is OK with me  The fit and finish looked OK, I didn't inspect it closely.  It seemed to ride OK, the low CoG helps some with handling.  I didn't drive it.

As noted above, EVs so far are not really good values, even with the $7500.  And sales now are showing this to be the case.  I think Toyota and Honda made better strategic decisions than Ford/GM, maybe this changes in a few years.  The latter two are investing a ton of money on a risky EV bet, though they may be slowing that down now.

Were I one of them, I think I'd focus on building a CUV (compact utility vehicle) like a Bolt and the pickup truck and van, making the latter more basic "work truck" models.  Then I'd try and continue with cars like the CT4 V Blackwing with a manual.

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1001 on: November 19, 2023, 06:16:44 AM »
SparkCharge "Electric Jerry Can" Makes DC Fast Charging Portable (motortrend.com)
SparkCharge "Electric Jerry Can" Makes DC Fast Charging Portable (motortrend.com)

 a four-stack of Roadie batteries can add 60-70 miles to a single vehicle (in about an hour) or dispense 10 miles of range to seven different EVs. One caveat—the system will not charge a car above 80 percent, because the charging rate plunges at that point.

The Volt subscription costs $25 per month, which covers two charges, each of which comes with a delivery fee of $9.99. The Jolt plan costs $60 for four charges and a $5.99 delivery fee. Finally, the Bolt Subscription runs $80 for six charges plus $5.99 delivery.

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« Reply #1002 on: November 19, 2023, 08:39:47 AM »
more expensive than the original Jerry Can
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« Reply #1003 on: November 19, 2023, 08:40:37 AM »
Then I'd try and continue with cars like the CT4 V Blackwing with a manual.
and a LARGE Sedan
with big tailfins
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« Reply #1004 on: November 19, 2023, 08:56:35 AM »
more expensive than the original Jerry Can
Yeah, looked pricey to me, but at least is an example of how EVs can be recharged if they run out completely.

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« Reply #1005 on: November 19, 2023, 08:59:21 AM »


put some batteries in this.....
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1006 on: November 20, 2023, 07:05:48 AM »
2024 Chevy Equinox EV Starts Under $35,000, and Qualifies for Federal Tax Credit (motortrend.com)

When the upcoming all-new Equinox EV was announced last September, Chevy promised the base model would offer 210 horsepower, 242 lb-ft of torque, and an estimated 250 miles of range for a price that would be "around $30,000." Today, Chevy has confirmed the 1LT will start at $34,995 (including destination and freight charges but not taxes), but is withholding further content and packaging details. It's safe to assume that pricing is for the base, front-wheel drive 1LT trim, with a more expensive all-wheel drive 1LT version also likely to be offered.


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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1007 on: November 20, 2023, 09:16:32 AM »
well, technically $34,995 is under $35K

the gasser???
$26,600† 
Starting MSRP

$8395 will buy some gasoline and oli changes
and you don't need to rewire the garage
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