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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #630 on: April 11, 2023, 01:28:27 PM »
This is all about government control.
...of the rate at which the inevitable thing will happen.

So really, you'd be bitching about the pace of progress.  Not exactly big gub'mint.
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #631 on: April 11, 2023, 02:34:03 PM »
Government control obviously can be bad and nefarious, but not always.  Duh.  EVs are coming, government is trying to make them come faster (probably with limited success).  Norway has done it by lifting tolls, taxes,  and fees on EVs and they have a lot of toll roads.  

The Norwegian EV incentives: No purchase/import tax on EVs (1990-2022). From 2023 some purchase tax based on the cars’ weight on all new EVs. Exemption from 25% VAT on purchase (2001-2022). From 2023, Norway will implement a 25 percent VAT on the purchase price from 500 000 Norwegian Kroner and over; No annual road tax (1996-2021).

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« Reply #632 on: April 11, 2023, 04:38:55 PM »
Taxpayer subsidized early adoption.

If the taxpayers are cool with it, then it's no problem.

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #633 on: April 11, 2023, 04:41:29 PM »
EVs make more sense, I think, in Europe, where most cars are small and Diesel now, and distances tend to be shorter*.  They burn dirty Diesel also.  Then they have these 50 cc scooters that pollute like crazy.

Their air pollution often is really bad.


*They use a funny kind of mile that isn't a mile at all, only about 60% of a mile....


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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #634 on: April 11, 2023, 04:52:35 PM »
Taxpayer subsidized early adoption.

If the taxpayers are cool with it, then it's no problem.
Often the voters that push for more spending are the people who pay little taxes, while the voters who oppose more spending are the people who pay lots of taxes. 

But hey, when did a voter ever dislike paying for something with OPM?

EVs make more sense, I think, in Europe, where most cars are small and Diesel now, and distances tend to be shorter*.  They burn dirty Diesel also.  Then they have these 50 cc scooters that pollute like crazy.

Their air pollution often is really bad.

*They use a funny kind of mile that isn't a mile at all, only about 60% of a mile....
Well, I do think that the way most Europeans live is a lot more localized and with smaller distances to be traveled on a daily basis. 

But at the same time, most American life is pretty damn localized and there aren't long distances to be traveled on a daily basis. 80% of the US population live in urban areas (which I assume includes suburban and possibly even exurban). 

But usually the issue is that a car is a very major purchase, and we tend to make those purchases partially on "what do I do 95% of the time?" but also "what do I need to be CAPABLE of doing the other 5% of the time?"

I think for most potential EV purchasers, they are scared an EV won't work for that 10%. Whether that's a road trip, or whether that's towing, or whether that's range anxiety in the coldest 2 weeks of winter. 

It's why a lot of multi-car EV families have one BEV and one ICEV. The BEV is great for around-town stuff, and maybe could even be the majority of the family's miles driven. But they like to keep the ICEV (whether it's a truck, or used for road trips, etc) for the times when the BEV might be inconvenient. 

In our family, EVs hadn't been mature enough yet when my wife got her RX350, but with our current lifestyle, a BEV makes perfect sense for her. She does the majority of her driving to/from work and running errands and would basically never have any problem with range. With home charging she'd never have to visit a gas station again. And then with me having the Ford Flex (and the Jeep), we'd have an ICEV with plenty of seating that could handle any time we need to take the kids somewhere, or any time we need to road trip. Since I primarily WFH with limited days in the office, our total familial gas consumption would DRASTICALLY drop if she was driving a BEV. When it comes time to replace her RX, it might be with an RZ. Granted that's probably 5+ years from now. 

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« Reply #635 on: April 11, 2023, 06:34:07 PM »
Often the voters that push for more spending are the people who pay little taxes, while the voters who oppose more spending are the people who pay lots of taxes.

But hey, when did a voter ever dislike paying for something with OPM?

Yup, all of this, precisely.


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« Reply #636 on: April 12, 2023, 04:17:08 AM »
Often the voters that push for more spending are the people who pay little taxes, while the voters who oppose more spending are the people who pay lots of taxes.

But hey, when did a voter ever dislike paying for something with OPM?
Someone once said, "eventually you run out of other people's money."
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #637 on: April 12, 2023, 06:47:18 AM »
These regulations don't cost government much at all, and of course can be reversed by a different president.

They can end up costing consumers a lot.


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« Reply #638 on: April 12, 2023, 08:23:56 AM »
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Biden administration is proposing strict new automobile pollution limits that would require as many as two-thirds of new vehicles sold in the U.S. to be electric by 2032, a nearly tenfold increase over current electric vehicle sales.

The proposed regulation, announced Wednesday by the Environmental Protection Agency, would set tailpipe emissions limits for the 2027 through 2032 model years that are the strictest ever imposed — and call for far more new EV sales than the auto industry agreed to less than two years ago.

If finalized next year as expected, the plan would represent the strongest push yet toward a once almost unthinkable shift from gasoline-powered cars and trucks to battery-powered vehicles.

A look at what the EPA is proposing, how the plan serves President Joe Biden’s ambitious goal to cut America’s planet-warming greenhouse gas emissions in half by 2030, and whether the auto industry can meet the new EV targets:

Q. What is the EPA proposing?

A, The proposed tailpipe pollution limits don’t require a specific number of electric vehicles to be sold every year, but instead they mandate limits on greenhouse gas emissions. Depending on how automakers comply, the EPA projects that at least 60% of new passenger vehicles sold in the U.S. would be electric by 2030 and up to 67% by 2032.
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #639 on: April 12, 2023, 08:25:26 AM »
Car makers may emphasize EVs that are large and expensive and that would usually burn a lot of gasoline (= CO2) and still make smaller ICE vehicles...

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« Reply #640 on: April 12, 2023, 09:21:29 AM »
What will be used to generate the power all of these EV's need?
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #641 on: April 12, 2023, 09:24:25 AM »
Fairy dust.  I have read different estimates for how much additional electricity would be needed.  The best is around 25% more, though the time of day part is important.

That presumes every car and truck is electric, which won't happen for a LONG time.  I read another estimate that compared it to the arrival of whole house air conditioners and how that rather slowly took effect and demand was accomodated.  

EVs will come along so slowly I don't think power companies will struggle because of it, they may well struggle to manage the variability of wind and solar.

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« Reply #642 on: April 12, 2023, 09:43:05 AM »
My guess was gonna be fairy dust.

This is just stupid.
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #643 on: April 12, 2023, 09:46:13 AM »
Well, stupid or not, it's going to happen, but more slowly than some think.

 

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