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Cincydawg

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #560 on: February 03, 2023, 12:00:42 PM »
Tesla, General Motors get boost from EV SUV tax credit change (cnbc.com)

The change raises the retail price cap to $80,000 from $55,000 for vehicles such as the Tesla Model Y, Cadillac Lyriq, Ford Mustang Mach-E and Volkswagen’s ID.4. Previously some or all models of these vehicles did not qualify because they didn’t weigh enough to be considered an SUV by the Treasury’s standards.
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« Reply #561 on: February 03, 2023, 12:05:51 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on February 03, 2023, 11:53:50 AM
You think so? How many years will it take to build up the grid with all new power lines - just for charging stations.The cost? Power Companies aren't going to do that out of the kindness of their heart. Have you been tilting some schooners with brandon up in Sewer City?
Well, you're conflating a few things here. Fearless was talking about charging station evolution. We've seen massive improvements in just the last 5 years in fast charging stations. Tesla is talking about boosting the charging voltage starting with the Cybertruck that will improve charge times...

...assuming the Cybertruck actually starts shipping in the next 5 years. It's been a year away for the last 5 or so LOL.

As for the grid, I'm not thinking there will need to be a huge upgrade in power lines, specifically. The bigger issue is actual generation capacity and making sure that if the overall load on the grid increases due to all this charging, that it can be handled. And then the issue from an environmental sense is that we invest in all this extra generation but it's coal or NG, it just moves the emissions from the tailpipe to the generation plant (albeit with some likely efficiency gains). 

But I expect charging technology to improve and infrastructure to be built out significantly in the next 5 years. And obviously (per Fearless's point) we'll see it growing at a faster rate than gas pumps, because gas pump technology is mature, and infrastructure is sufficiently saturated at this point. 
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #562 on: February 03, 2023, 12:20:29 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 03, 2023, 10:31:11 AM
Range is clearly a major downside with low T and towing.  This has been widely reported.  I think the car mags in general do a good job of presenting test results and data.  They highlighted these two issues, so I don't believe they are somehow avoiding important facts that run counter to the narrative.
The impact of towing and temperature on range hasn't been completely suppressed but you have to look harder to find it. A lot of the development and testing is done in places like SoCal where "cold" means 50° not NE Ohio where it is presently 12°.

I've also heard stories of guys who bought F150 Lightnings only to discover that when they hooked up their boats they had approximately enough range to take their boat to visit their nextdoor neighbors. 

There aren't altogether unreported but they aren't front-and-center headline news either, you have to look.
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #563 on: February 03, 2023, 12:27:31 PM »
I don't see much "news" about EVs in normal news channels, but there is a lot in the various and sundry car mags.  Anyone wanting to understand the pros and cons of an EV can access plenty of information.
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« Reply #564 on: February 03, 2023, 12:31:48 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on February 03, 2023, 12:20:29 PM
The impact of towing and temperature on range hasn't been completely suppressed but you have to look harder to find it. A lot of the development and testing is done in places like SoCal where "cold" means 50° not NE Ohio where it is presently 12°.

I've also heard stories of guys who bought F150 Lightnings only to discover that when they hooked up their boats they had approximately enough range to take their boat to visit their nextdoor neighbors.

There aren't altogether unreported but they aren't front-and-center headline news either, you have to look.
The F-150 Lighting starts at $55,974. 

I'd argue that if you're making that expensive of a purchase, on a brand new vehicle using relatively new BEV technology rather than extraordinarily well-understood ICEV technology, that it's incumbent upon you to look. And then to understand whether the capabilities of the vehicle meet your needs.

We seem to constantly get into the EV fight where the pro-EV crowd tries to convince EVERYONE that a BEV will meet their needs, while the anti-EV crowd tries to convince everyone that if a BEV can't do EVERYTHING an ICEV can do, that it meets nobody's needs. 

But there's a huge middle ground between those two. 

If I was towing a massive boat, I'd let other people be the guinea pigs with BEV trucks.  But I have more general driving needs, and once the family downsizes a bit I'm comfortable that a BEV would satisfy my driving needs enough that I'm not worried about BEV tech in general. Only whether it will make financial sense. 
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« Reply #565 on: February 03, 2023, 12:39:54 PM »
When did trucks start getting so TALL?
I'm talking about all of it - the hood and the bed, specifically.  You could park one of those old Toyota or Datsun trucks in the back of an F-150 nowadays.
I'm sure they evolved that way, but the height from the front edge of the hood to the bottom edge of the front bumper is like 4 ft. now.  
Do truck owners not want any front clearance?  It goes so low up front.  I don't get it.
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #566 on: February 03, 2023, 12:46:15 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on February 03, 2023, 12:31:48 PM
The F-150 Lighting starts at $55,974.

I'd argue that if you're making that expensive of a purchase, on a brand new vehicle using relatively new BEV technology rather than extraordinarily well-understood ICEV technology, that it's incumbent upon you to look. And then to understand whether the capabilities of the vehicle meet your needs.

We seem to constantly get into the EV fight where the pro-EV crowd tries to convince EVERYONE that a BEV will meet their needs, while the anti-EV crowd tries to convince everyone that if a BEV can't do EVERYTHING an ICEV can do, that it meets nobody's needs.

But there's a huge middle ground between those two.

If I was towing a massive boat, I'd let other people be the guinea pigs with BEV trucks.  But I have more general driving needs, and once the family downsizes a bit I'm comfortable that a BEV would satisfy my driving needs enough that I'm not worried about BEV tech in general. Only whether it will make financial sense.
I agree with this.

I see cold for me in NE Ohio as being similar to what towing would be where you live and it is a reason to hold off longer here than I would if I lived where you live.
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #567 on: February 03, 2023, 12:56:15 PM »
Imagine towing IN the cold of NE Ohio!
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« Reply #568 on: February 03, 2023, 02:40:33 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on February 03, 2023, 12:39:54 PM
When did trucks start getting so TALL?
I'm talking about all of it - the hood and the bed, specifically.  You could park one of those old Toyota or Datsun trucks in the back of an F-150 nowadays.
I'm sure they evolved that way, but the height from the front edge of the hood to the bottom edge of the front bumper is like 4 ft. now. 
Do truck owners not want any front clearance?  It goes so low up front.  I don't get it.
I'm not sure why they got so tall. But I know why they're so low in the front. It's all for aerodynamics / gas mileage. 
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« Reply #569 on: February 03, 2023, 02:55:10 PM »
the federal govt will throw billions at charging station infrastructure if needed

hey, in five years I could be retired and living in Texas
perhaps not driving many miles a tall and near a metroplex like Dallas/FW

an EV could be a great fit at that time
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #570 on: February 04, 2023, 09:39:42 AM »
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #571 on: February 04, 2023, 10:14:50 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on February 03, 2023, 12:39:54 PM
When did trucks start getting so TALL?
I'm talking about all of it - the hood and the bed, specifically.  You could park one of those old Toyota or Datsun trucks in the back of an F-150 nowadays.
I'm sure they evolved that way, but the height from the front edge of the hood to the bottom edge of the front bumper is like 4 ft. now. 
Do truck owners not want any front clearance?  It goes so low up front.  I don't get it.
front clearance means air turbulence under the truck which decreases gas mileage
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #572 on: February 04, 2023, 10:16:02 AM »
There also are some bumper height requirements.
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« Reply #573 on: February 04, 2023, 10:17:12 AM »
really, have you seen the C8 Corvette?
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