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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #532 on: January 04, 2023, 08:01:34 PM »
Think of an oil change setup, with shops stocking the most common batteries.  Machines swapping them out, so weight isn't an issue.

It's feasible, unless you let your distaste for the messenger of the idea cloud your judgement.
Not gonna happen in passenger vehicles. The battery packs are a stressed member of the frame in order to improve rigidity. Making them a removable item means that you have to massively bulk up the frame of the vehicle to reach the same rigidity, increasing vehicle weight and decreasing efficiency. It likely means that you also have to build a much more durable frame for the battery to have it withstand repeated insertion and removal. Again more weight, and less efficiency. All that increased weight means more load on tires, more load on drivetrain, more load on the road. It's one thing to do it in a cordless drill, it's another to do it in a multi-ton vehicle. And this is largely unnecessary in a world where most EV owners charge at home and it's only the rare exception that they need to figure it out for a road trip.

It's not a weight problem at the "fill station" per se; it's an engineering trade-off that is unnecessary and unwise to make. Charging infrastructure is the answer, not battery swaps.

I haven't really looked at it closely when you think about vehicles like long-haul trucks, though. The battery and frame weight of the tractor on an electric 18-wheeler compared to the overall combined weight of a full trailer load, along with the much bigger size of a tractor, may make it viable there. Especially since those trucks make money when they're rolling, not when they're charging. What you give up in efficiency may be regained in what you can actually earn per day.

But it doesn't make sense in a typical passenger car.

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« Reply #533 on: January 04, 2023, 08:09:12 PM »
All of it's fluid.  What is now may not be in the near future.
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« Reply #534 on: January 04, 2023, 08:22:06 PM »
yup, batteries "could" become much smaller and lighter in the future

heck, some folks thought gasoline burning passenger cars would be around forever
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« Reply #535 on: January 04, 2023, 09:01:00 PM »
All of it's fluid.  What is now may not be in the near future.
In the long run, we are all dead. -John Maynard Keynes

I'm talking about what we have line of sight to. Even solid state batteries, with their advantages, in my opinion don't get us remotely close to battery swaps making sense. It may be the future. It's not the near future. 

But sure, keep on keepin' on. Just don't @ me when I'm talking about cold fusion powered vehicles like it's impractical 🙄

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« Reply #536 on: January 04, 2023, 10:12:45 PM »


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« Reply #537 on: January 04, 2023, 11:34:36 PM »
we've been using nuclear submarines for decades

it's only a matter of time, IF the evil oil companies will just allow it to happen
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #538 on: January 05, 2023, 05:19:38 AM »
The battery swap concept has been examined and even tried, and it's simply not a good option, for various reasons noted.  Nobody is seriously looking at it today.

The inductive charging concept has more "legs" at this point.


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« Reply #539 on: January 05, 2023, 09:58:16 AM »
heck, inductive charging could be a thing in that Walmart parking lot covered in solar panels

just park your car and go shopping, no cables needed
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« Reply #540 on: January 28, 2023, 03:28:24 PM »
Upside Down: Study Finds Evs Cost More to Drive Than Gas-Powered

What has turned the EV world upside down is a report by Anderson Economic Group or AEG. It found that mid-priced electric cars cost more to run than similar gas-powered cars. However, this doesn’t apply to luxury EVs and ICE vehicles.

Based on current prices, internal combustion cars need $11.29 of gas for every 100 miles driven. For electric, that goes up to $11.60. That’s if they charge their EV at home. For those that need to frequent charging stations, that number jumps up to $14.40.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autos-hybrids/upside-down-study-finds-evs-cost-more-to-drive-than-gas-powered/ar-AA16P4Dx?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=c4dddad835704672a1d68469977c0e69
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #541 on: January 28, 2023, 03:56:06 PM »
Most folks seem to drive SUVs which probably get more like 22 mpg, which means nearly 5 gallons per 100 miles, and with gas at about $3.40 a gallon ...

$15.45 is what I get.  

If electricity costs ¢10.7 per kilowatt-hour, charging an EV with a 200-mile range (assuming a fully depleted 54 kWh battery) will cost about $6 to reach a full charge. To compare the fueling costs of individual models of conventional and electric vehicles, see the Vehicle Cost Calculator.


Now, charging at a station instead of at home can be 3x that or more.

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« Reply #542 on: January 28, 2023, 04:00:01 PM »
How Much Does It Cost To Charge An EV? (jdpower.com)

Your mileage is directly dependent on your battery capacity. Most EVs can generally travel 3 to 4 miles per kilowatt-hour (kWh) of energy. A full recharge, if your vehicle’s range is 300 miles, would require 75-100 kWh and cost $10-$14.
However, cost-efficiency comes at the price of convenience. All EVs are supplied with a home-charging cable that plugs into a wall outlet and charges about 3 to 6 miles into your car per hour (Level 1 charger). To achieve faster charging, many owners install Level 2 chargers, which are wall-mounted panels with a 240-volt circuit. They deliver about 20-40 miles of range per hour but cost $550 for the unit, not taking into account the cost of labor.
When using this method, costs will depend on the price of electricity in your area. They differ from state to state, so your monthly mileage will vary. 



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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #543 on: February 02, 2023, 07:22:34 AM »
There is a Tesla supercharging station near us in the basement parking garage of a "development".  We drove through there a while back, every station was occupied but one.  (My step son had rented a Tesla.)  He said they had penalties for leaving your car parked there with a full charge, but it's going to be an inssue.  You pull up to a charging station and it's either full or broken, and then what?

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« Reply #544 on: February 02, 2023, 08:31:28 AM »
obviously needs some government regulation
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« Reply #545 on: February 02, 2023, 09:04:38 AM »
2024 Chevrolet Blazer EV vs. Equinox EV: What’s the Difference? (motortrend.com)

Equinox EV models with FWD will have 210 hp and 242 lb-ft of torque, while those with AWD will bump up to 290 hp and 346 lb-ft. Expect to see similar numbers for the Blazer, which Chevrolet has not announced power figures for—except the range-topping Blazer SS, which will pack a dual-motor powertrain that throws down 557 hp and 648 lb-ft of torque. It seems likely that the Blazer will have a sportier demeanor than the demure Equinox.

 

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