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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #490 on: December 16, 2022, 08:29:09 AM »
Toyota’s First-Ever All-Electric Pickup Truck Is... Not Quite What You'd Expect (motortrend.com)
Toyota’s First-Ever All-Electric Pickup Truck Is... Not Quite What You'd Expect (motortrend.com)

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« Reply #491 on: December 16, 2022, 09:44:16 AM »
not for me


but, I hope they sell a billion of them in china
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« Reply #492 on: December 16, 2022, 10:40:40 AM »
At least it looks like a pickup truck.

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #493 on: December 16, 2022, 10:57:57 AM »
If you happen across a 1970 F150 parked next to a new one, it's pretty amazing.


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« Reply #494 on: December 16, 2022, 11:04:11 AM »
yup, little wonder they've gone up in price

odd that pickup trucks have grown to a much larger size
even the small trucks are larger than the 150s and 1500s of the past

and yet sedans have shrunk
can't even buy a LARGE sedan these daze
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #495 on: December 16, 2022, 11:12:29 AM »
I think a small work truck like that Toyota could sell in the US to handymen, even with range of say 150 miles.  And I agree the "small trucks" today are rather large.  My neighbor had an old S-10 that was pretty useful to me at times.

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« Reply #496 on: December 16, 2022, 11:16:27 AM »
Extended cabs and crew cab were quite rare 3 decades ago.  For us, the F150 crew cab is our family vehicle, so it must have a very large cab, and the kinds of comforts you'd find in a sedan.

Of course if anybody still made a 3/4 ton SUV with commiserate towing capability, THAT is what I'd have.  I find SUVs to be superior tow vehicles to pickup trucks in almost every scenario.

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« Reply #497 on: December 16, 2022, 05:48:08 PM »
Consumer Reports recently extrapolated from its vast archive of owner surveys the reliability data pertaining to electric cars. It found that as a whole, EVs were less reliable than traditional gasoline and hybrid cars. The Kia EV6 ran away with top honors among battery electrics with a total score of 84. However, CR was not ready to recommend it because it was so new on the market and reliability issues can take time to surface. Also, we would be remiss not to point out that the EV6's platform twin, the Hyundai Ioniq 5, ranked fourth among EVs at 41 points, less than half the score of the Kia.

Between the siblings are the Tesla Model 3 with 58 points, and the Nissan Leaf with 53. These numbers land mid-pack among reliability ratings. Internal-combustion cars like the Toyota Corolla Hybrid, Lexus GX, Mazda Miata and Lincoln Corsair have scores in the 80s and 90s.

We've long heard the argument that EVs should, hypothetically, be more reliable than gasoline cars as they have fewer moving parts. Think of all the valves and gears in a typical ICE drivetrain. However, CR says, "EVs reported problems associated with battery packs, charging, electric drive motors, and unique heating and cooling systems that are required on vehicles that lack a conventional engine." It would be  be interesting to know the percentage of issues associated with hardware failures versus the percentage of issues stemming from software bugs, but CR doesn't break out those numbers.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/evs-more-issue-prone-than-gasoline-and-hybrid-cars-consumer-reports-says/ar-AA15kwqH?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=e7161253bf8d4aa39c8e7bffc614ea7d
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #498 on: December 16, 2022, 05:48:36 PM »
I'll wait another decade or two
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« Reply #499 on: December 17, 2022, 09:10:53 AM »
Despite forecasts that EVs will represent most (or all in some places) new car sales by 2035, even if that happens, it would be around 2050 before half the cars on the road are EVs.

And I think some car makers will still offer ICE vehicles of certain types.  

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« Reply #500 on: December 17, 2022, 09:54:44 AM »
Despite forecasts that EVs will represent most (or all in some places) new car sales by 2035, even if that happens, it would be around 2050 before half the cars on the road are EVs.

And I think some car makers will still offer ICE vehicles of certain types. 

We'd have to make dramatic improvements in battery storage technology in order NOT to still be forced to offer some ICE options. The kinds of leaps in technology that have never been made in that sector, to date. The laws of physics are a challenging taskmaster.

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #501 on: December 17, 2022, 10:02:58 AM »
Major issues, today, some of which won't be readily solvable:

1.  Range, but getting better.
2.  Cost
3.  Recharging time, also getting better
4.  Towing range, not sure how this gets better
5.  Cold weather performance, same
6.  Weight
7.  Battery replacement costs
8.  Battery supply issues (raw materials etc.)



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« Reply #503 on: January 02, 2023, 08:34:06 PM »
Tesla Inc. delivered fewer vehicles than analysts expected last quarter, missing estimates despite taking the unusual step of offering hefty incentives in its two biggest markets.

The company handed over 405,278 vehicles to customers in the last three months, short of the 420,760 average estimate compiled by Bloomberg. While the total was a quarterly record for Tesla, the company opened two new assembly plants last year and still came up short of its goal to expand deliveries by 50%.

After Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk predicted an “epic” end to the year, Tesla proceeded to cut vehicle prices and production in China, then offered $7,500 discounts in the US. Concerns about rising interest rates, inflation and other economic headwinds — plus alarm over Musk’s antics on Twitter, which he now owns — sent Tesla shares plunging 37% in December and 65% last year.

“We believe that Tesla is facing a significant demand problem,” Toni Sacconaghi, a Bernstein analyst with the equivalent of a sell rating on the stock, wrote in a report Monday. “We believe Tesla will need to either reduce its growth targets (and run its factories below capacity) or sustain and potentially increase recent price cuts globally, pressuring margins.”

Tesla increased deliveries by 40% to 1.31 million last year, shy of the 50% average annual growth rate the company has said it expects to achieve over multiple years. Production expanded 47% to 1.37 million.
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