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Topic: Does defense still win Championships?

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Does defense still win Championships?
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2023, 10:25:32 AM »
yup, greatest offense to that point in history - not a great defense

They're basically 2019 LSU, but for a failed 2-point attempt.  
So they're viewed as less-than.  
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Re: Does defense still win Championships?
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2023, 10:43:21 AM »
yup, but Doc Tom nor I would change the decision to go for the win

gained a lot of respect that night

as we say, injuries are part of the game, but it's a shame Rozier was knocked out of the game.

might have been a different play call for the two
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Re: Does defense still win Championships?
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2023, 11:09:01 AM »
Everyone seems to think Nebraska still wins the NC with a tie there.  Voters back then were idiots and cared more about WHEN you lost or tied as who it was against.  
Auburn finished their season with consecutive wins over teams ranked 5th, 7th, 4th, 19th, and 8th.  Their only loss was to top-5 Texas back in September.
I think Auburn wins the NC (or at least a split) if Nebraska tied in the bowl game.
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Re: Does defense still win Championships?
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2023, 11:11:55 AM »
I think a team needs a better than average D to prevail even today.  We see some high scoring games now, but nothing like 63-55 (yet).  You need to try and limit the opponent to 35 (or less) and then score in the 40s.  I figure an elite offense today will score mid30s on even a very good defense.

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« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2023, 11:29:24 AM »
I think a team needs a better than average D to prevail even today.  We see some high scoring games now, but nothing like 63-55 (yet).  You need to try and limit the opponent to 35 (or less) and then score in the 40s.  I figure an elite offense today will score mid30s on even a very good defense.

This.

People keep pointing to 2019 as not great, but that's only true in stretches, even though the offense was able to carry a unit at times that was only okay.  I don't think they run through their final 3 games vs. UGA, OU, and Clemson had the defense not come round to championship caliber.  Clemson in particular, they got the better of us early on on both sides of the ball.  If not for the defense clamping down, tigers would've found themselves playing from behind in a shootout even when the offense got rolling.  

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Re: Does defense still win Championships?
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2023, 11:34:54 AM »
I would certainly say clutch defense. 

Just like an underrated skill in basketball is the ability to run 30 seconds off the clock when you absolutely have to run 30 seconds off the clock, defense when you absolutely have to get a stop definitely wins championships.

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« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2023, 11:35:22 AM »
But the early season happened, counts, and matters.  LSU was good enough to come through Sept + Oct unscathed.  
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Re: Does defense still win Championships?
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2023, 11:49:29 AM »
Everyone seems to think Nebraska still wins the NC with a tie there.  Voters back then were idiots and cared more about WHEN you lost or tied as who it was against. 
Auburn finished their season with consecutive wins over teams ranked 5th, 7th, 4th, 19th, and 8th.  Their only loss was to top-5 Texas back in September.
I think Auburn wins the NC (or at least a split) if Nebraska tied in the bowl game.
back in the early 80's........ before you were too old.

an undefeated team trumped a one loss team

see 1984 BYU
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Re: Does defense still win Championships?
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2023, 11:53:02 AM »
But the early season happened, counts, and matters.  LSU was good enough to come through Sept + Oct unscathed. 

This matters if we're talking about some greatest season of all time comparison.  

It's mostly immaterial to "does defense win championships."  A good case can be made that LSU doesn't win a championship, even with their offense, if their defense didn't sharpen way up.  

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« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2023, 12:03:17 PM »
So championships are only won at the end of the seson?

If so, I don't understand football.
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Re: Does defense still win Championships?
« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2023, 12:15:13 PM »
Literally, a championship is won at the very end of a season.  

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Re: Does defense still win Championships?
« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2023, 12:16:45 PM »
So championships are only won at the end of the seson?

If so, I don't understand football.
Yeah, I think the upcoming TCU-UGA games is the "end of the season" ...

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« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2023, 12:24:59 PM »
Yeah, I think the upcoming TCU-UGA games is the "end of the season" ...

I get OAM's point.  If TCU and Georgia hadn't played well enough to defeat all of their opponents in September and October, they very well might not be playing for the championship in January.  

But comparing a team's defense over all games in a season, is even more difficult than comparing them for single games late in the season, and we're already struggling just with that data alone.

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Re: Does defense still win Championships?
« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2023, 12:28:30 PM »
A team can well be fairly unimpressive early and then improve obviously to the point of winning an NC.  Another can go the other direction, we all know this.

This happens in baseball fairly often.

And sure, you can't lose two early and expect to be well positioned for a CFP invite though it's possible.

 

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