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Topic: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?

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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2020, 11:17:48 AM »
That's Fro in a Nutshell. 

Americans are a bunch of  morons that drink Budweiser that they bought from Walmart while they watch Nascar, thus they need to have all of their important decisions made by the Liberal Elite, who are educated and smart and know what is best for everyone else. 
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Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2020, 11:56:08 AM »
Do you see the important leap you're making here?  I suggest that maybe for this one big, important, unprecedented thing, we defer to the experts.


And your caricature of me seems to include "all their important decisions".



I've never once even hinted or suggested such a thing. 

Some other corrections:
I'd bet money that I shop at Walmart more than anyone else on the board (it's cheap).
Exactly half of people are of "below average" intelligence, so obviously fewer than half could be considered morons.

And my criticism of Americans or the average American has as much to do with the pride they take in their faults as the faults themselves.
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Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
« Reply #30 on: September 07, 2020, 02:58:44 PM »
I’m sure you probably aren’t like that. Just like I’m sure the people in favor of playing aren’t taking the “just rub some dirt on it” attitude like you suggested.  The caricature of you being frightened of your shadow is just as unfair as the one you are painting of others.


Bingo. Obviously people saying all is fine are overstating one way and people saying this is the greatest travesty are the other way.

I can't help but be fascinated by the idea of bravery in all of it. Like chances are, people are mostly bad at judging risk. It's just not something our brains are wired for. We know this. That isn't to say that someone needs to step in all the time (though in various ways, a lot of people step in) or even most of the time. But sometimes, they create guardrails. Sometimes those guardrails are too much, and we need more freedom to make our own choices and mistakes. 

BB asked if the idea is "adults are such idiots that they need someone else to make all of their important decisions." It's honestly probably not the important decisions, but the mundane ones. Like I'm about to go get gas an pick up groceries. And someone has decided almost all the times my car stops on that drive. They've decided roughly where I stop my car when I go to the store. They've decided the range of speeds at which I'll likely go. I suppose if I run all those stop signs and drive 60 in a 25, I'm just out there taking on risk that I accept. It's kind of a weird thing. 

(the bravery part is mostly silly. There's half a bit of logic that you can only be brave if you're in some ways afraid. I think about driving after too many. I've done it without fear at 22 and with fear at 27, and in neither case did it demand bravery in a real sense)

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Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
« Reply #31 on: September 07, 2020, 03:00:24 PM »
I am against all over generalizations.

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Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
« Reply #32 on: September 07, 2020, 03:15:29 PM »
I am against all over generalizations.
Specifically as well as generally? 

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« Reply #33 on: September 07, 2020, 03:26:41 PM »
Definition of bravery


1: the quality or state of having or showing mental or moral strength to face danger, fear, or difficulty


At no point in human history (until now) has it been considered courageous to curl up into the fetal position at the first sign of adversity, and do absolutely nothing. That's always been known as cowardice.

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Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
« Reply #34 on: September 07, 2020, 03:34:20 PM »
That's Fro in a Nutshell.

Americans are a bunch of  morons that drink Budweiser that they bought from Walmart while they watch Nascar, thus they need to have all of their important decisions made by the Liberal Elite, who are educated and smart and know what is best for everyone else.
But what I don't get about the "not playing football" issue is that it wasn't the "liberal elite" that did it. 

It was the university Presidents, answering to their BoD or chancellors, that made this decision.

It wasn't OAM or me or you. It wasn't POTUS. It wasn't the Speaker of the House. It wasn't SCOTUS. 

The players want to play and the coaches want to coach, of course. But the university Presidents have a wider view of this, and IMHO they are thinking beyond this season. They're thinking about the question of "what if a player gets COVID and dies, or what if a player gets horrible continuing heart or lung problems, from an on-the-field incident?"

It's one thing to say "the players want to play" so we should let them. But if they're putting the future reputation of the university at risk, the university that is sponsoring their sport is the one who should make the decision whether they play. 

Not you. Not me. Not OAM. Not Congress. Not POTUS. To use the legal term, "we don't have standing" in this discussion. 

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« Reply #35 on: September 07, 2020, 03:38:58 PM »
Definition of bravery

1: the quality or state of having or showing mental or moral strength to face danger, fear, or difficulty

At no point in human history (until now) has it been considered courageous to curl up into the fetal position at the first sign of adversity, and do absolutely nothing. That's always been known as cowardice.
I suppose in London in the 1940s you would have considered it "brave" to open your windows and flood the neighborhood with light in the face of a blackout, giving targets to German bombers? I mean, we can't just curl into the fetal position and do absolutely nothing over some stupid bombs, right? Effing cowardly Brits. 

I don't view that as "bravery", I view that as reckless stupidity. 

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Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
« Reply #36 on: September 07, 2020, 03:45:50 PM »
Did the Brits join the allied forces against the Nazis? Or did they just hide under their beds until the danger was over? 
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Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
« Reply #37 on: September 07, 2020, 03:52:45 PM »
Did the Brits join the allied forces against the Nazis? Or did they just hide under their beds until the danger was over?
The average citizen in London wasn't on the front lines. They were the ones expected to enforce the blackouts.

Just like today, we have ALL sorts of people in this country fighting COVID. We have people working on vaccines, trying to understand treatments, and a whole lot of front-line healthcare professionals who are doing their best to handle the wartime casualties. 

The rest of us are expected to do our part to support those people by not engaging in terrible behavior to increase the casualty count. How is that so hard to understand? 

Being stupid isn't "brave", because it's not supporting the war effort. 

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Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2020, 03:59:50 PM »
Definition of bravery


1: the quality or state of having or showing mental or moral strength to face danger, fear, or difficulty


At no point in human history (until now) has it been considered courageous to curl up into the fetal position at the first sign of adversity, and do absolutely nothing. That's always been known as cowardice.


To this point, no one has suggested either curling up in the fetal position or doing absolutely nothing. The suggestion has been to avoid large group gatherings and the action has been taken to do that. 

Now, one could actually make a tenuous case that being deprived of normalcy in the face of difficulty fits that definition (possibly mental strength, moral would be a judgement call), but it's a bit of a stretch. Here's the thing, even if one accepts its not the brave thing to do (a fair thing), it doesn't really contrast with the alternative. Demanding that things be normal requires zero "mental or moral strength." It's all sorts of soft to pound the table and say "I wanna do what I wanna do right now!" So at best, it's a magnificent push. 

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Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
« Reply #39 on: September 07, 2020, 04:03:24 PM »
Did the Brits join the allied forces against the Nazis? Or did they just hide under their beds until the danger was over?
I mean, the day to day Londoners often hid underground until the danger was over. Or they left town. 

In the larger sense, their country stepped up when a smaller nation faced an act of aggression after sitting on the sidelines. There was a country that hid away across the ocean and only fully joined the allied forces when the danger touched their shores. But if the metaphor was going to bring us to the US in 1940 not being brave, it's by and large a tortured metaphor and a poor fit to the discussion. 

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« Reply #40 on: September 07, 2020, 04:06:37 PM »

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To this point, no one has suggested either curling up in the fetal position or doing absolutely nothing
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The Big Ten has elected to curl up into the fetal position and do nothing, at the first sign of adversity.

High School, Pros, other College Conferences are all going to give it a go. They might not make it through the season, but they are at least willing to give it the old college try.

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Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
« Reply #41 on: September 07, 2020, 04:40:30 PM »
See, the above is "going too far."  :96:

But I did it so that I could point it out.  I have no reason to believe BB is or was ever gay.  I have no reason to believe he was the bully in a gay relationship, or that he even had anal sex in the 80s. 


But I 'went there' to introduce a corollary to what he's posited.  It's in very poor taste, just as his was (in a different way, admittedly).


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