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Title: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 05, 2020, 03:51:56 PM
Honest question(s)
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: CWSooner on September 05, 2020, 03:58:34 PM
As my wife has a couple of auto-immune disorders and is also allergic to many of the best meds, the possibility of her death is my biggest worry.  So, no, I don't spend much time thinking about the non-lethal aspects.  They do rate consideration, though, IMO.
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: CatsbyAZ on September 05, 2020, 04:48:42 PM
At some point you play like everybody else or you wallow in a PR headache.

We heard about a ventilator shortage at obsessive repetition until that worry disappeared in the night.

We hear Communications majors who can’t pass a biology class preach the “science” the science they want.

For better or worse: Second Wave, Super Spreaders, Mask mandates, Social distancing.

At some point it’s only a matter of hearing what you want to hear. To that end everybody get ready to be confronted by talk of the “non-lethals.”


https://twitter.com/andrewbostom/status/1302047711131308032
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: ELA on September 05, 2020, 04:58:08 PM
At some point you play like everybody else or you wallow in a PR headache.

We heard about a ventilator shortage at obsessive repetition until that worry disappeared in the night.

We’ve hear Communications majors who can’t pass a biology class preach “science” to no end.

For better or worse: Second Wave, Super Spreaders, Mask mandates, Social distancing.

At some point it’s only a matter of hearing what you want to hear. To that end everybody get ready to be confronted by talk of the “non-lethals.”


https://twitter.com/andrewbostom/status/1302047711131308032
I'm not worried about the spread on campus as much as what that spread means when those kids go home
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: MaximumSam on September 05, 2020, 05:09:25 PM
Based on what I've read I don't think it's am overwhelming concern - college athletes less likely to have severe illness and less likely to have long-term issues. But this is a new disease - we don't "know" everything there is to know. So I chose the second option.
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: Kris60 on September 05, 2020, 05:49:21 PM
I’m worried somewhat but we are living our lives. Daughter has been playing travel softball since June. We’ve let the kids go to birthday parties and have sleepovers.

You make decisions, be as careful as you can, and hope for the best.
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: ELA on September 05, 2020, 06:00:47 PM
We let the kids play sports, and it's a sport by sport level of tolerance.  Baseball and soccer have been pretty good.  All fans wear masks.  All players on the bench/dugout wear masks.  Coaches wear masks unless on the field of play.

Flag football has been...well, much worse
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 06, 2020, 02:34:37 AM
At some point you play like everybody else or you wallow in a PR headache.

We heard about a ventilator shortage at obsessive repetition until that worry disappeared in the night.

We hear Communications majors who can’t pass a biology class preach the “science” the science they want.

For better or worse: Second Wave, Super Spreaders, Mask mandates, Social distancing.

At some point it’s only a matter of hearing what you want to hear. To that end everybody get ready to be confronted by talk of the “non-lethals.”


https://twitter.com/andrewbostom/status/1302047711131308032
It's not some political talking point, though.  It's about a novel virus who's long-term effects we know BUBCUS about.  I'm not sure shrugging and figuring c'est la vie is the best plan when so much is unknown.
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: bayareabadger on September 06, 2020, 07:27:55 AM
I'm worried it's going to drag a CFB message board I enjoy reading into places I don't care for. Also that it will create extraneous threads. 
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: MaximumSam on September 06, 2020, 07:40:50 AM
I'm worried it's going to drag a CFB message board I enjoy reading into places I don't care for. Also that it will create extraneous threads.
The #1 side effect of COVID 19
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: Cincydawg on September 06, 2020, 08:27:31 AM
I read somewhere, I forget where, that the heart problems once associated with COVID are "not real".  I don't know if that is true at all though.

I do know a lot of initial reports turn out later to have been wrong, or exaggerated.  

Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: MaximumSam on September 06, 2020, 08:35:23 AM
I read somewhere, I forget where, that the heart problems once associated with COVID are "not real".  I don't know if that is true at all though.

I do know a lot of initial reports turn out later to have been wrong, or exaggerated. 


I don't think it's that it isn't real - the myocarditis is a real condition that is caused by other viruses as well as COVID.  The flu can cause long term issues for people - when I was a kid I had a rather nasty flu and had some breathing issues for months afterwards.  In any event, long term issues are associated with serious illness, so it's unlikely that people with no or mild symptoms would have long term effects.  Since college kids and younger are unlikely to have serious COVID symptoms, it would seem unlikely they would have serious longterm effects from COVID as well.  At least that's my logic and I'm sticking to it.
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: Cincydawg on September 06, 2020, 09:22:06 AM
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/covid-19-can-wreck-your-heart-even-if-you-havent-had-any-symptoms/ (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/covid-19-can-wreck-your-heart-even-if-you-havent-had-any-symptoms/)

COVID-19 Can Wreck Your Heart, Even if You Haven’t Had Any Symptoms

A growing body of research is raising concerns about the cardiac consequences of the coronavirus
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: Cincydawg on September 06, 2020, 09:23:26 AM
Myocarditis appears to result from the direct infection of the virus attacking the heart, or possibly as a consequence of the inflammation (https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/hc3401.095198) triggered by the body’s overly aggressive immune response. And it is not age-specific: In The Lancet (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4642(20)30257-1/fulltext), doctors recently reported on an 11-year-old child with multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS-C)—a rare illness—who died of myocarditis and heart failure. At autopsy, pathologists were able to identify coronavirus particles present in the child’s cardiac tissue, helping to explain the virus’ direct involvement in her death. In fact, researchers (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.24.20170175v1.full.pdf) are reporting (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.24.20170175v1) the presence of viral protein in the actual heart muscle, of six deceased patients. Of note is the fact that these patients were documented to have died of lung failure (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.24.20170175v1.full.pdf), having had neither clinical signs of heart involvement, nor a prior history of cardiac disease.
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 06, 2020, 11:21:03 AM
We don't need dueling articles on this, guys.  WE DON'T KNOW.  IT HASN'T BEEN ENOUGH TIME TO KNOW. 

This uncertainty is enough to be cautious.
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 06, 2020, 12:22:31 PM
Man, Fro must be scared of his own shadow. 
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: Cincydawg on September 06, 2020, 12:31:45 PM
We should be cautious much of the time in normal living.  Being cautious does not mean avoiding all risk (which in any event is impossible).  The term risk:reward ratio is always a consideration.

Many here played sports recognizing a risk of being hurt.  I just had a shoulder repair of an injury from 1971 playing baseball.

Obviously, any issue related to the heart when one is 20 years old merits due consideration.  I think the players should be made aware of that as a possible side effect.

I am slightly surprised we have not had a MAJOR outbreak to this point on a team or teams.
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 06, 2020, 02:17:02 PM
Man, Fro must be scared of his own shadow.
Does this kind of BS work on you?  Seriously.

You're not brave for opening yourself up to a virus.  You can't out-tough it.  Be smarter than this, please.
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 06, 2020, 02:18:19 PM


Obviously, any issue related to the heart when one is 20 years old merits due consideration.  I think the players should be made aware of that as a possible side effect.

I am slightly surprised we have not had a MAJOR outbreak to this point on a team or teams.
We could have a bunch of young people die when they're 35 from heart issues from this thing.  But meh, shrug it off, rub some dirt on it, right?


If you're waiting for a major outbreak, just wait.  It's  coming.
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: Kris60 on September 06, 2020, 03:37:03 PM
We could have a bunch of young people die when they're 35 from heart issues from this thing.  But meh, shrug it off, rub some dirt on it, right?


If you're waiting for a major outbreak, just wait.  It's  coming.
My grandma was just like you. When I was a kid she was in the car with us one day when a dude pulling a boat passed us. My dad commented that it looked like somebody had a fun day on the lake ahead of them.  My grandma snorted, “Or somebody might just drown.”  She was a wonderful woman but she never encountered a risk in her life she felt was worth taking.

Once again, all of us on here are aware there is risks involved in playing football during all this.  That isn’t some piece of information that you, and you alone, understand.  The players and coaches are old enough to make their own decisions.  Some have opted out. I totally get and respect that.  Most are playing. I totally get and respect that.

Everyone has a different level of risk they are willing to take.  It doesn’t make anyone right or wrong.  I’m sure there are players playing and players sitting out who aren’t 100 percent convinced they made the right decision.

While I’m sure you are hoping for the best like the rest of us it sure feels like sometimes you are just waiting for something bad to happen to give a big “I told you so” to everyone.
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 06, 2020, 03:37:14 PM
Does this kind of BS work on you?  Seriously.

You're not brave for opening yourself up to a virus.  You can't out-tough it.  Be smarter than this, please.


:91:
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: MaximumSam on September 06, 2020, 07:03:34 PM
A good thread by a professor of cardiology in England

https://twitter.com/ProfDFrancis/status/1302571279778746369?s=19
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 06, 2020, 09:39:27 PM
My grandma was just like you. When I was a kid she was in the car with us one day when a dude pulling a boat passed us. My dad commented that it looked like somebody had a fun day on the lake ahead of them.  My grandma snorted, “Or somebody might just drown.”  She was a wonderful woman but she never encountered a risk in her life she felt was worth taking.

I'm nothing like that, lol.  

I simply respect the unknown.  No one seems to note that I'm not saying the sky is falling, simply that we don't know the effects of this thing past tomorrow.  

If I seem to be repeating myself, it's probably because those who are pissy about not having a season keep lamenting it.  But somehow their repetitiveness is okay.  

I simply respect the unknown and I find it astounding how so many adults are acting like sometimes even adults need help doing what's best for them.  
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: Kris60 on September 06, 2020, 11:17:46 PM
I'm nothing like that, lol. 

I simply respect the unknown.  No one seems to note that I'm not saying the sky is falling, simply that we don't know the effects of this thing past tomorrow. 

If I seem to be repeating myself, it's probably because those who are pissy about not having a season keep lamenting it.  But somehow their repetitiveness is okay. 

I simply respect the unknown and I find it astounding how so many adults are acting like sometimes even adults need help doing what's best for them. 
I’m sure you probably aren’t like that. Just like I’m sure the people in favor of playing aren’t taking the “just rub some dirt on it” attitude like you suggested.  The caricature of you being frightened of your shadow is just as unfair as the one you are painting of others.

Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 06, 2020, 11:26:13 PM
I’m sure you probably aren’t like that. Just like I’m sure the people in favor of playing aren’t taking the “just rub some dirt on it” attitude like you suggested.  The caricature of you being frightened of your shadow is just as unfair as the one you are painting of others.


I can't help but see the petulance, though.  


Say it wasn't college football.  Say it was something else, same economics, same age group, but not college football.  Would there be such an outcry?  

I'll use "we" here:
WE want the games to happen.
WE know there are minor risks.
WE want it because we want it.


I see it like the idea of heaven.  Of course we invented that idea, of a forever place of our liking - the best possible place.  Because we want it to be.


If I was a player, I'd want to play.  But it would be a good thing that someone stopped me.  If not my parent, then my coach.  If not my coach, then my conference.  The players need saving from themselves and all of the fans who are in angst need that, too.


And here's the thing - maybe they don't.  That's entirely possible, even probable.  But we just don't know.  
That's all.
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 06, 2020, 11:30:15 PM

So adults are such idiots that they need someone else to make all of their important decisions for them? 

That sounds... fun. 
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 06, 2020, 11:47:06 PM
So adults are such idiots that they need someone else to make all of their important decisions for them?

That sounds... fun.
Is that what you genuinely took from my post?  Sheesh.

Sometimes, we ALL need someone to save us from ourselves, no?  So this being something none of us is old enough to have ever faced before, the virus being novel itself, and the thing garnering so much outrage merely being something we WANT and don't need, sure, this is a great INDIVIDUAL important decision that maybe could be made by someone else.

How dare I, I know.
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: Cincydawg on September 07, 2020, 06:33:54 AM
I simply respect the unknown and I find it astounding how so many adults are acting like sometimes even adults need help doing what's best for them. 
I find this to be a common perception among those who view their own abilities to be better than that of the "common man".  Then "they", the smarter folks, can control how the dumber folks behave, shop, select, choose, operate, etc.

They look down their noses at the "common folks" and their decisions to shop at say Walmart and live in a double wide.

If only someone could limit their decision making abilities to more intelligent things.
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 07, 2020, 11:17:48 AM
That's Fro in a Nutshell. 

Americans are a bunch of  morons that drink Budweiser that they bought from Walmart while they watch Nascar, thus they need to have all of their important decisions made by the Liberal Elite, who are educated and smart and know what is best for everyone else. 
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 07, 2020, 11:56:08 AM
Do you see the important leap you're making here?  I suggest that maybe for this one big, important, unprecedented thing, we defer to the experts.


And your caricature of me seems to include "all their important decisions".



I've never once even hinted or suggested such a thing. 

Some other corrections:
I'd bet money that I shop at Walmart more than anyone else on the board (it's cheap).
Exactly half of people are of "below average" intelligence, so obviously fewer than half could be considered morons.

And my criticism of Americans or the average American has as much to do with the pride they take in their faults as the faults themselves.
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: bayareabadger on September 07, 2020, 02:58:44 PM
I’m sure you probably aren’t like that. Just like I’m sure the people in favor of playing aren’t taking the “just rub some dirt on it” attitude like you suggested.  The caricature of you being frightened of your shadow is just as unfair as the one you are painting of others.


Bingo. Obviously people saying all is fine are overstating one way and people saying this is the greatest travesty are the other way.

I can't help but be fascinated by the idea of bravery in all of it. Like chances are, people are mostly bad at judging risk. It's just not something our brains are wired for. We know this. That isn't to say that someone needs to step in all the time (though in various ways, a lot of people step in) or even most of the time. But sometimes, they create guardrails. Sometimes those guardrails are too much, and we need more freedom to make our own choices and mistakes. 

BB asked if the idea is "adults are such idiots that they need someone else to make all of their important decisions." It's honestly probably not the important decisions, but the mundane ones. Like I'm about to go get gas an pick up groceries. And someone has decided almost all the times my car stops on that drive. They've decided roughly where I stop my car when I go to the store. They've decided the range of speeds at which I'll likely go. I suppose if I run all those stop signs and drive 60 in a 25, I'm just out there taking on risk that I accept. It's kind of a weird thing. 

(the bravery part is mostly silly. There's half a bit of logic that you can only be brave if you're in some ways afraid. I think about driving after too many. I've done it without fear at 22 and with fear at 27, and in neither case did it demand bravery in a real sense)
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: Cincydawg on September 07, 2020, 03:00:24 PM
I am against all over generalizations.
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: bayareabadger on September 07, 2020, 03:15:29 PM
I am against all over generalizations.
Specifically as well as generally? 
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 07, 2020, 03:26:41 PM
Definition of bravery


1: the quality or state of having or showing mental or moral strength to face danger, fear, or difficulty


At no point in human history (until now) has it been considered courageous to curl up into the fetal position at the first sign of adversity, and do absolutely nothing. That's always been known as cowardice.

Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on September 07, 2020, 03:34:20 PM
That's Fro in a Nutshell.

Americans are a bunch of  morons that drink Budweiser that they bought from Walmart while they watch Nascar, thus they need to have all of their important decisions made by the Liberal Elite, who are educated and smart and know what is best for everyone else.
But what I don't get about the "not playing football" issue is that it wasn't the "liberal elite" that did it. 

It was the university Presidents, answering to their BoD or chancellors, that made this decision.

It wasn't OAM or me or you. It wasn't POTUS. It wasn't the Speaker of the House. It wasn't SCOTUS. 

The players want to play and the coaches want to coach, of course. But the university Presidents have a wider view of this, and IMHO they are thinking beyond this season. They're thinking about the question of "what if a player gets COVID and dies, or what if a player gets horrible continuing heart or lung problems, from an on-the-field incident?"

It's one thing to say "the players want to play" so we should let them. But if they're putting the future reputation of the university at risk, the university that is sponsoring their sport is the one who should make the decision whether they play. 

Not you. Not me. Not OAM. Not Congress. Not POTUS. To use the legal term, "we don't have standing" in this discussion. 
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on September 07, 2020, 03:38:58 PM
Definition of bravery

1: the quality or state of having or showing mental or moral strength to face danger, fear, or difficulty

At no point in human history (until now) has it been considered courageous to curl up into the fetal position at the first sign of adversity, and do absolutely nothing. That's always been known as cowardice.
I suppose in London in the 1940s you would have considered it "brave" to open your windows and flood the neighborhood with light in the face of a blackout, giving targets to German bombers? I mean, we can't just curl into the fetal position and do absolutely nothing over some stupid bombs, right? Effing cowardly Brits. 

I don't view that as "bravery", I view that as reckless stupidity. 
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 07, 2020, 03:45:50 PM
Did the Brits join the allied forces against the Nazis? Or did they just hide under their beds until the danger was over? 
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on September 07, 2020, 03:52:45 PM
Did the Brits join the allied forces against the Nazis? Or did they just hide under their beds until the danger was over?
The average citizen in London wasn't on the front lines. They were the ones expected to enforce the blackouts.

Just like today, we have ALL sorts of people in this country fighting COVID. We have people working on vaccines, trying to understand treatments, and a whole lot of front-line healthcare professionals who are doing their best to handle the wartime casualties. 

The rest of us are expected to do our part to support those people by not engaging in terrible behavior to increase the casualty count. How is that so hard to understand? 

Being stupid isn't "brave", because it's not supporting the war effort. 
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: bayareabadger on September 07, 2020, 03:59:50 PM
Definition of bravery


1: the quality or state of having or showing mental or moral strength to face danger, fear, or difficulty


At no point in human history (until now) has it been considered courageous to curl up into the fetal position at the first sign of adversity, and do absolutely nothing. That's always been known as cowardice.


To this point, no one has suggested either curling up in the fetal position or doing absolutely nothing. The suggestion has been to avoid large group gatherings and the action has been taken to do that. 

Now, one could actually make a tenuous case that being deprived of normalcy in the face of difficulty fits that definition (possibly mental strength, moral would be a judgement call), but it's a bit of a stretch. Here's the thing, even if one accepts its not the brave thing to do (a fair thing), it doesn't really contrast with the alternative. Demanding that things be normal requires zero "mental or moral strength." It's all sorts of soft to pound the table and say "I wanna do what I wanna do right now!" So at best, it's a magnificent push. 
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: bayareabadger on September 07, 2020, 04:03:24 PM
Did the Brits join the allied forces against the Nazis? Or did they just hide under their beds until the danger was over?
I mean, the day to day Londoners often hid underground until the danger was over. Or they left town. 

In the larger sense, their country stepped up when a smaller nation faced an act of aggression after sitting on the sidelines. There was a country that hid away across the ocean and only fully joined the allied forces when the danger touched their shores. But if the metaphor was going to bring us to the US in 1940 not being brave, it's by and large a tortured metaphor and a poor fit to the discussion. 
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 07, 2020, 04:06:37 PM

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To this point, no one has suggested either curling up in the fetal position or doing absolutely nothing
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The Big Ten has elected to curl up into the fetal position and do nothing, at the first sign of adversity.

High School, Pros, other College Conferences are all going to give it a go. They might not make it through the season, but they are at least willing to give it the old college try.

Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 07, 2020, 04:40:30 PM
See, the above is "going too far."  :96:

But I did it so that I could point it out.  I have no reason to believe BB is or was ever gay.  I have no reason to believe he was the bully in a gay relationship, or that he even had anal sex in the 80s. 


But I 'went there' to introduce a corollary to what he's posited.  It's in very poor taste, just as his was (in a different way, admittedly).


Okay, back to the show!
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on September 07, 2020, 04:42:41 PM
Post of the year (for a different reason).  This is incredible.  Bravery against a virus. 

You were one of those gay guys in the 80s calling your lover a pussy if he insisted on a condom, weren't you?  Maybe you still are.
:smiley_confused1:

OAM, has it ever occurred to you that people here are mean to you because you say BS like that? 
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 07, 2020, 04:44:46 PM
But my next post explains it all away and everyone can be friends again, right?

Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 07, 2020, 04:44:59 PM
Fro... Wtf is wrong with you? Please refrain from replying to anymore of my comments.
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: bayareabadger on September 07, 2020, 04:56:38 PM
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The Big Ten has elected to curl up into the fetal position and do nothing, at the first sign of adversity.

High School, Pros, other College Conferences are all going to give it a go. They might not make it through the season, but they are at least willing to give it the old college try.


They threw the breaks on a massive financial engine and moved a football season. That doesn't seem like nothing. 

Here's the thing, doing what you want because it feels normal isn't brave. It's just not. We can discuss if it's cowardly (maybe), but it ain't brave. 
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: utee94 on September 07, 2020, 08:28:48 PM
JFC this thread is an abortion.

Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: CWSooner on September 07, 2020, 10:33:35 PM
Definition of bravery


1: the quality or state of having or showing mental or moral strength to face danger, fear, or difficulty


At no point in human history (until now) has it been considered courageous to curl up into the fetal position at the first sign of adversity, and do absolutely nothing. That's always been known as cowardice.
Wearing a mask is not analogous to curling up into a fetal position, although I believe that you have on occasion implied that it is.
Wearing a mask is about not infecting others.  It is not a sign of either bravery or cowardice.
It is not brave to go without a mask any more than it is brave to go around coughing and sneezing when you have the flu.
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: CatsbyAZ on September 10, 2020, 10:34:17 AM
JFC this thread is an abortion.




For those of you who chose “The unknown scares me (for them) and they shouldn't be playing at all” – WHY?!?! 

Through this entire ordeal of booting college football back up, among other attempted reboots such as grade school kids returning to K-12 classes, two words have been bastardized as excuses to keep everything shut down: "unknown" and “contagious.”

Yes, COVID has medical unknowns, but statistically speaking (emphasizing statistically) driving your car to the post office comes with unknown risks. And the same goes for leaning on the “contagious” excuse. Again, statistically speaking, car wrecks carry a numerically raw statistical inevitability that follows the similarly varying (though predictable) probability rates as living in a reality of other contagious illnesses, such as the common flu that goes around every year.

Again, the “unknown” and “contagious” excuses have been intentionally bastardized to bypass properly equating COVID likelihoods into statistical terms by which we daily cope with a reality filled with other statistical unknowns and inevitabilities.

We’re at a point where those who want to move on and return to functionality (SEC, ACC, private K-12 schools) should be allowed to take on the risk. And for those who want to wallow in self-loathing uncertainty (PAC 12, California public K-12 schools) should continue sitting on their hands while the rest of the world passes them by.
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: FearlessF on September 10, 2020, 01:05:20 PM
Catsby, some folks is scared to death of car wrecks and the common flu

these folks are just the same as those folks, they're scared and can't help themselves.

hell, a lady in my office is deathly a scared of spiders, doesn't seem to be much she can do about it.  She's understands it's not logical.

I'm somewhat a scared of heights.  Maybe cause I can jump very high and I'm not accustomed to being in the air
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on September 10, 2020, 02:32:24 PM

For those of you who chose “The unknown scares me (for them) and they shouldn't be playing at all” – WHY?!?!
I voted for "I'm fairly concerned and understand why the B1G and PAC-12 did what they did"

Which is, quite frankly, not that far away from “The unknown scares me (for them) and they shouldn't be playing at all”

The primary difference is... Who chooses? 

I'm fairly concerned. I could see this blow up in their faces. I don't want to watch as a Purdue player gets COVID due to an on-field infection, gets hospitalized and dies, and all of a sudden my alma mater's name is dragged through the mud because they put him out there. I think that risk, to my school, is low. Probably larger that it will happen to SOME school. BUT, I'm not going to tell the conferences to play or not to play. Not my decision. I understand why they made the decision they did; you can agree or disagree, but it's not your decision either. 

However, some people don't seem to understand that they're not in charge. They argue this topic like they've actually got a say in the matter and/or anyone gives a rat's ass about their opinion. 
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: Kris60 on September 10, 2020, 03:02:59 PM
I voted for "I'm fairly concerned and understand why the B1G and PAC-12 did what they did"

Which is, quite frankly, not that far away from “The unknown scares me (for them) and they shouldn't be playing at all”

The primary difference is... Who chooses?

I'm fairly concerned. I could see this blow up in their faces. I don't want to watch as a Purdue player gets COVID due to an on-field infection, gets hospitalized and dies, and all of a sudden my alma mater's name is dragged through the mud because they put him out there. I think that risk, to my school, is low. Probably larger that it will happen to SOME school. BUT, I'm not going to tell the conferences to play or not to play. Not my decision. I understand why they made the decision they did; you can agree or disagree, but it's not your decision either.

However, some people don't seem to understand that they're not in charge. They argue this topic like they've actually got a say in the matter and/or anyone gives a rat's ass about their opinion.
I guess my thing is if, God forbid, that scenario plays out then no school should be dragged through the mud. I know it will, but it shouldn’t. It should just be looked at as a terrible tragedy that is no one’s fault.
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 10, 2020, 03:44:31 PM
:smiley_confused1:

OAM, has it ever occurred to you that people here are mean to you because you say BS like that?
I was thinking the same thing.  

There are times when OAM and I agree and times when we disagree but we generally keep it civil.  You  can disagree and keep it civil.  
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: FearlessF on September 10, 2020, 04:02:40 PM
what's the fun in that

that's like a peaceful protest w/o any bricks, looting, fires, tear gas , and rubber bullets
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: CatsbyAZ on September 10, 2020, 04:54:30 PM

However, some people don't seem to understand that they're not in charge. They argue this topic like they've actually got a say in the matter and/or anyone gives a rat's ass about their opinion.


Maybe they are compelled to speak because those who are in charge handle themselves like dumbasses...*cough*chough*...Kevin Warren.

Ohio State be proud you've got a leader like this:

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1304154548819374083

Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: Kris60 on September 10, 2020, 05:14:59 PM
If you are a conference official with the Big Ten or Pac 12 what are you rooting for in regards to the CFB season this fall?
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: Cincydawg on September 10, 2020, 05:24:40 PM
You have to be hoping for justification of your own decisions.

Which is obvious.
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: MaximumSam on September 10, 2020, 06:33:21 PM
If you are a conference official with the Big Ten or Pac 12 what are you rooting for in regards to the CFB season this fall?
https://twitter.com/sbstryker/status/1303881483954733056?s=19
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: Kris60 on September 10, 2020, 06:47:55 PM
You have to be hoping for justification of your own decisions.

Which is obvious.
That’s what I think too. Obviously no one rooting for a death but you can’t really want them to get through the season either.
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: FearlessF on September 10, 2020, 10:56:30 PM
rooting for 2 wrongs certainly isn't right
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: Cincydawg on September 11, 2020, 04:29:25 AM
Well, imagine somehow the other three conferences complete their season and compete in the playoff and the Big/Pac do nothing.

They can't possibly hope for that inwardly.  I'm sure they say otherwise if asked.

I think at this point the other three are going to START play, I don't know how long it continues (duh).  UGA is reporting a pretty large outbreak among students.  I wonder if the players are being really isolated from the student body.  They might be placed in a special section in classes they attend, and a lot (most?) just monitor by video.

https://www.ajc.com/sports/georgia-bulldogs/georgia-bulldogs-faring-better-than-most-against-covid-19/QYKAXSPZVJFVFHNXY4YGCZGBLU/ (https://www.ajc.com/sports/georgia-bulldogs/georgia-bulldogs-faring-better-than-most-against-covid-19/QYKAXSPZVJFVFHNXY4YGCZGBLU/)

Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: longhorn320 on September 11, 2020, 10:58:16 AM
I dont think they should have a NC game this year

maybe instead have a one time designation like the virus bowl
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: Cincydawg on September 11, 2020, 11:02:17 AM
They could just award it to the SEC champ as usual and be done with it ....
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: FearlessF on September 11, 2020, 11:07:54 AM
SEC champ vs Clemson for the trophy

as usual
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: utee94 on September 11, 2020, 11:48:18 AM
They need the money so they'll have ALL the games.

PAC isn't a factor in the NC playoff anyway, and the B1G and B12 are only fodder but they're necessary fodder for the "4-team-playoff."  

So now I guess we'll see two SEC teams, Clemson, and OU in the finals.  LSU has lost a lot of players and coaches off their NC winner, so I wonder who will be the other SEC team alongside Alabama?
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: Cincydawg on September 12, 2020, 07:11:23 AM
I wonder who will be the other SEC team alongside Alabama?

Probably the UGA-UF winner.  One COULD see a 10-0 Bama and 9-1 LSU get in.  Auburn?  Meh.  A&M?  Long shot.  Tenn?  Nah.

UGA got the luck of the draw this year relative to Florida.  They get Arkansas in game one, which should help with the QB uncertainty, hopefully.  It looks like it'll be Daniels or Mathis, maybe both, if both are cleared for contact (Daniels is not yet.)
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 12, 2020, 08:53:10 AM
I guess my thing is if, God forbid, that scenario plays out then no school should be dragged through the mud. I know it will, but it shouldn’t. It should just be looked at as a terrible tragedy that is no one’s fault.
China!!
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: FearlessF on September 12, 2020, 01:55:59 PM
I'll blame China and the World Health Organization
Title: Re: Do you care about the non-lethal aspects of Covid-19?
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 12, 2020, 02:10:02 PM
Well, imagine somehow the other three conferences complete their season and compete in the playoff and the Big/Pac do nothing.

They can't possibly hope for that inwardly.  I'm sure they say otherwise if asked.

I think at this point the other three are going to START play, I don't know how long it continues (duh).  UGA is reporting a pretty large outbreak among students.  I wonder if the players are being really isolated from the student body.  They might be placed in a special section in classes they attend, and a lot (most?) just monitor by video.

https://www.ajc.com/sports/georgia-bulldogs/georgia-bulldogs-faring-better-than-most-against-covid-19/QYKAXSPZVJFVFHNXY4YGCZGBLU/ (https://www.ajc.com/sports/georgia-bulldogs/georgia-bulldogs-faring-better-than-most-against-covid-19/QYKAXSPZVJFVFHNXY4YGCZGBLU/)
The NCAA would consider that an impermissible benefit.