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Topic: December 2nd, 2017: A Nice Day to Crown Some Champions

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Re: December 2nd, 2017: A Nice Day to Crown Some Champions
« Reply #224 on: December 03, 2017, 01:06:28 AM »
OSU would've won comfortably if Barrett had any accuracy.  
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Re: December 2nd, 2017: A Nice Day to Crown Some Champions
« Reply #225 on: December 03, 2017, 01:12:05 AM »
OSU would've won comfortably if Barrett had any accuracy.  
He made a couple WTF was that plays that are inexcusable for a 5th year senior starter QB.
Having said that, I will cut him some slack. Can't we give the guy a little bit of a break on his accuracy issues considering he's never had the strongest arm- some guys can just rip it without setting their feet because they have a ridiculous arm- see Stafford, Matthew or Rodgers, Aaron- but most of JT's throwing power/acccuracy comes from his legs/base- and the poor guy just had knee surgery 6 days ago. It was actually incredible that he was able to play at all if you ask me.

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Re: December 2nd, 2017: A Nice Day to Crown Some Champions
« Reply #226 on: December 03, 2017, 01:16:20 AM »
Surprising how far a team can go with a middling QB.

Michigan got pretty far with one last year.

The pro style offense is such a disadvantage at this level, because when they shut down the run game and you don't have a great QB who can put the game on his right arm you're royally screwed.

Playing in that wide open, tempo spread offense where the QB can still make some things happen with his feet when they shut down the backs just opens things back up for the passing game. Those style of offenses put so much more stress on the defenses.

Unless you have a Josh Rosen or Sam Darnold or Andrew Luck on your roster at QB, almost makes zero sense to play that style offense.

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Re: December 2nd, 2017: A Nice Day to Crown Some Champions
« Reply #227 on: December 03, 2017, 08:45:52 AM »
Badge told me Chryst was a QB whisperer though.
He is. I can't imagine what AH would look like without him.
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Re: December 2nd, 2017: A Nice Day to Crown Some Champions
« Reply #228 on: December 03, 2017, 08:52:40 AM »
Surprising how far a team can go with a middling QB.
He will not be the starter next season. Jack Coan will.

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Re: December 2nd, 2017: A Nice Day to Crown Some Champions
« Reply #229 on: December 03, 2017, 08:55:38 AM »
and half that fan base still has problems with Meyer and hate on JT. Insanity your kind is.
I guarantee you Meyer's people are getting phone calls. All that success and people still aren't happy.
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Re: December 2nd, 2017: A Nice Day to Crown Some Champions
« Reply #230 on: December 03, 2017, 12:34:38 PM »
He is. I can't imagine what AH would look like without him.
Yeah, I think he's a hell of a QB coach. I was just messing with you. 
All I see is Harbaugh catching crap for his QB's, but there's only so much you can do as a coach with a marginally talented player.
Hornibrook isn't O'Korn bad but he's not far off from a Speight.
Chryst runs a scheme similar to Harbaugh's. Glorious when it's working, but starting to think those style offenses are too complex and too reliant on the QB for the college game.
I think coaches like Meyer and Dabo Swiney have basically developed the perfect offenses for the college game. Shotgun, no huddle, tempo, and having QBs that aren't runners first but can run- that's the way to go. 

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Re: December 2nd, 2017: A Nice Day to Crown Some Champions
« Reply #231 on: December 03, 2017, 12:41:00 PM »
I'm telling ya man, the loss of that TE for UW was a killer. Chryst had to use two freshman tackles at blocking TE yesterday to compensate, and neither of them have ever done that.

HUGE difference if Nueville plays, especially for Taylor. Big loss there.

I said all week the depth would be challenged, and it was. Big Time.
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Re: December 2nd, 2017: A Nice Day to Crown Some Champions
« Reply #232 on: December 03, 2017, 12:44:08 PM »
QB with a decent run threat puts much more pressure on any defense

Frost will be bring that to UNL

no running QBs on the roster today, but Frost will be running the QB next season regardless of how talented their legs are.
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Re: December 2nd, 2017: A Nice Day to Crown Some Champions
« Reply #233 on: December 03, 2017, 12:45:09 PM »
I'm telling ya man, the loss of that TE for UW was a killer. Chryst had to use two freshman tackles at blocking TE yesterday to compensate, and neither of them have ever done that.

HUGE difference if Nueville plays, especially for Taylor. Big loss there.

I said all week the depth would be challenged, and it was. Big Time.
how many TEs have the Badgers lost this season?
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Re: December 2nd, 2017: A Nice Day to Crown Some Champions
« Reply #234 on: December 03, 2017, 12:48:21 PM »
how many TEs have the Badgers lost this season?
2, but this last one came at a terrible time. Nobody had a chance to get game snaps. Had they lost him earlier, it might have been better for the team. But still, you never want to lose anyone, of course.
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Re: December 2nd, 2017: A Nice Day to Crown Some Champions
« Reply #235 on: December 03, 2017, 12:51:44 PM »
QB with a decent run threat puts much more pressure on any defense

Frost will be bring that to UNL

no running QBs on the roster today, but Frost will be running the QB next season regardless of how talented their legs are.
it's not just that, but the play calling, reads, terminology all that is much easier on a QB than the pro-style. Way less on his plate, things are simplified for the QB.
Most colleges now are running spread/air raid style. That's a big reason why so many young QBs come into the NFL and struggle, they are asked to do so much stuff they weren't in college.

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Re: December 2nd, 2017: A Nice Day to Crown Some Champions
« Reply #236 on: December 03, 2017, 01:13:28 PM »
It's interesting to see B1G posters expressing doubts about smash-mouth, ball-control offensive strategy.

Despite the fact that OU introduced spread/air raid offense to the Big 12 in 1999, Mike Leach's one season as OC, I'm not a big fan of that style.  It's hugely QB-dependent, and the skills that those QBs have to have include a lot of intangibles and immeasurables.

Baker Mayfield is the prime example.  He's not big enough--supposedly--to be a successful QB at a big-time program.  He got one scholarship offer from a P5 school coming out of high school--from Mike Leach's Washington State.  Mayfield didn't want to go that far from home, so he walked on at Texas Tech.  OU has had him for three seasons now, and he's been fantastic, and he's like lightning in a bottle.  I don't think we capture that lighting again anytime soon.

So I have always admired the more run-based offenses, like Wisconsin's, like Stanford's, like Alabama's.  I like an offense that can get one yard by running the ball when it absolutely has to have one yard.

Maybe it's a case of the grass being greener on the other side of the road.
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Re: December 2nd, 2017: A Nice Day to Crown Some Champions
« Reply #237 on: December 03, 2017, 01:20:43 PM »
It's interesting to see B1G posters expressing doubts about smash-mouth, ball-control offensive strategy.

Despite the fact that OU introduced spread/air raid offense to the Big 12 in 1999, Mike Leach's one season as OC, I'm not a big fan of that style.  It's hugely QB-dependent, and the skills that those QBs have to have include a lot of intangibles and immeasurables.

Baker Mayfield is the prime example.  He's not big enough--supposedly--to be a successful QB at a big-time program.  He got one scholarship offer from a P5 school coming out of high school--from Mike Leach's Washington State.  Mayfield didn't want to go that far from home, so he walked on at Texas Tech.  OU has had him for three seasons now, and he's been fantastic, and he's like lightning in a bottle.  I don't think we capture that lighting again anytime soon.

So I have always admired the more run-based offenses, like Wisconsin's, like Stanford's, like Alabama's.  I like an offense that can get one yard by running the ball when it absolutely has to have one yard.

Maybe it's a case of the grass being greener on the other side of the road.
Great post. The grass is always greener, eh?

I'm glad you like what UW does. I do to and it won't change until King Barry takes his last breath - if even then.
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