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medinabuckeye1

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December 1 CFP rankings
« on: December 02, 2020, 01:39:04 PM »
Rankings, records, teams, and games remaining:

  • 8-0 Bama, @LSU, Ark?
  • 9-0 Notre Dame, vs Cuse
  • 8-1 Clemson, @VaTech
  • 4-0 Ohio State, @MSU, vM
  • 6-1 aTm, @Aub, @TN
  • 7-1 Florida, @TN, vLSU
  • 8-0 Cincy, @ #24 Tulsa
  • 6-2 Georgia, vs Vandy
  • 7-2 Iowa State, vs WVU
  • 7-1 Miami, @Dook, vs #17 UNC, vs GaTech
  • 6-2 Oklahoma, vs Baylor, @ WVU
  • 5-1 Indiana, @ #16 UW, vs PU
  • 9-0 BYU, vs SDSU
  • 5-1 Northwestern, vs IL
  • 6-2 Oklahoma State, @TCU, @ Baylor
  • 2-1 Wisconsin, vs #12 IU, @ #19 IA
  • 6-3 North Carolina, vs WCU, @ #10 Miami
  • 9-0 Coastal Carolina, vs Lib, @ Troy
  • 4-2 Iowa, @IL, vs #16 UW
  • 3-0 USC, vs WSU, @ UCLA
  • 7-0 Marshall, vs Rice, @ FIU
  • 3-0 Washington, vs Stan, @ #23 Ore
  • 3-1 Oregon, @ Cal, vs #22 UW
  • 5-1 Tulsa, @ Navy, vs #7 Cincy
  • 8-1 Louisiana, @ApSt


The teams in bold are teams that I believe control their own destiny to the CFP:

  • 8-0 #1 Bama:  If they win out (@LSU, ARK?, SECCG probably vs #6 UF), they are obviously in.  
  • 9-0 #2 ND:  If they win out (vs Cuse, ACCCG probably vs #3 Clemson), they are obviously in.  
  • 8-1 #3 Clemson:  If they win out (@VaTech, ACCCG vs #2 ND), they are obviously in.  
  • 4-0 #4 tOSU:  If they win out (@MSU, vM, B1GCG probably vs #14 NU), they are obviously in.  
  • 7-1 #6 UF:  If they win out (@TN, vLSU, SECCG probably vs #1 Bama), they are obviously in.  
  • 3-0 #20 USC:  If they win out (vWSU, @UCLA, P12CG probably vs #22 UW) they would probably jump enough teams to get in.  
  • 3-0 #22 Washington:  If they win out (vsStan, @#23 Ore, P12CG probably vs #20 USC) they would probably jump enough teams to get in.  

Everybody else needs help and probably lots of it.  


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Re: December 1 CFP rankings
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2020, 01:42:57 PM »
Something I am noticing over the years now is that Georgia is often, very often, the highest ranked 1 loss team, or 2 loss team, or heaven forbid 3 loss team.  I know they are in the SEC, and that just means more, but whazzup wid dat?

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Re: December 1 CFP rankings
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2020, 01:53:05 PM »
if it's not Georgia, it's Florida, or A&M

it's ALWAYS an SEC team, regardless
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Re: December 1 CFP rankings
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2020, 01:53:56 PM »
Something I am noticing over the years now is that Georgia is often, very often, the highest ranked 1 loss team, or 2 loss team, or heaven forbid 3 loss team.  I know they are in the SEC, and that just means more, but whazzup wid dat?
As you well know the losses weren't particularly close but they were on the road to #1 Bama and neutral site to #6 UF.  Looking at the other ranked 2-loss teams:
  • #9 ISU lost badly to #25 UL at home and close on the road to #15 OkSU
  • #11 OU lost closely on the road to #9 ISU but they also lost to an unranked team that is below .500.  
  • #15 OkSU lost closely to unranked Texas and badly to #11 OU.  
  • #19 Iowa lost closely to #14 NU and to an unranked team that is below .500.  

If you are going to have two losses, it helps if they are both to top-6 teams!

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Re: December 1 CFP rankings
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2020, 04:25:14 PM »
Yeah, I'm not quite criticizing that trend as much as noting it, I have noted it the past few years since UGA got to be, um, highly ranked.


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Re: December 1 CFP rankings
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2020, 05:19:02 PM »
I would argue that USC and Washington do not yet control their own destiny.  Teams in front of them need to lose for them to jump into the top 4.

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Re: December 1 CFP rankings
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2020, 05:30:31 PM »
I would argue that USC and Washington do not yet control their own destiny.  Teams in front of them need to lose for them to jump into the top 4.
You could be right and I did say "probably" for them because winning out *MIGHT* not be enough, but bottom line, I don't think they need any help.  

They are way down at #20 and #22 right now so that looks problematic but if either of them were to win out they would be an undefeated P5 Champion.  

To your point, I do think that some of it has to do with how well the other one does.  Ie, if they both win out to the P12CG, then I think the winner is almost certainly guaranteed of a spot because they'd both be something like top-10 by then so that would give the winner a signature victory.  

Who are you thinking would stay ahead of them?

I'm thinking ONLY the following:
  • The SEC Champion (almost certainly either Bama or Florida).  
  • The ACC Champion (almost certainly either Clemson or ND).  
  • The B1G Champion if they are undefeated (could only be tOSU).  
That is it.  What other team or teams do you think would be ahead of an undefeated P12 Champion USC or Washington?  


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Re: December 1 CFP rankings
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2020, 07:20:35 PM »
Something I am noticing over the years now is that Georgia is often, very often, the highest ranked 1 loss team, or 2 loss team, or heaven forbid 3 loss team.  I know they are in the SEC, and that just means more, but whazzup wid dat?
Preseason rankings.  And yes, the polls in the leadup to the initial playoff rankings have an influence.
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Re: December 1 CFP rankings
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2020, 07:22:20 PM »
I would argue that USC and Washington do not yet control their own destiny.  Teams in front of them need to lose for them to jump into the top 4.
This.
The PAC is not making the playoff.  The argument will be sample size.  6-0 isn't gonna cut it, sorry. They're behind Cincinnati, at least 1 SEC team, 1 ACC team, possibly OSU, probably BYU, and a 2-loss preseason top 10 team (or 2).
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Re: December 1 CFP rankings
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2020, 07:23:18 PM »
Damn right, um hum.

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Re: December 1 CFP rankings
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2020, 07:24:08 PM »
You're entertaining only yourself.
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Re: December 1 CFP rankings
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2020, 07:28:51 PM »
You're entertaining only yourself.
And why should I be concerned for anyone else?

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Re: December 1 CFP rankings
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2020, 07:39:04 PM »
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Re: December 1 CFP rankings
« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2020, 10:52:33 PM »
You could be right and I did say "probably" for them because winning out *MIGHT* not be enough, but bottom line, I don't think they need any help. 

They are way down at #20 and #22 right now so that looks problematic but if either of them were to win out they would be an undefeated P5 Champion. 

To your point, I do think that some of it has to do with how well the other one does.  Ie, if they both win out to the P12CG, then I think the winner is almost certainly guaranteed of a spot because they'd both be something like top-10 by then so that would give the winner a signature victory. 

Who are you thinking would stay ahead of them?

I'm thinking ONLY the following:
  • The SEC Champion (almost certainly either Bama or Florida). 
  • The ACC Champion (almost certainly either Clemson or ND). 
  • The B1G Champion if they are undefeated (could only be tOSU). 
That is it.  What other team or teams do you think would be ahead of an undefeated P12 Champion USC or Washington? 


Possibly a 1-loss Alabama if its a close loss in the SEC CCG, would stay ahead of an undefeated PAC champion.

Possibly a 1-loss ND if its a close loss in the ACC CCG, would stay ahead of an undefeated PAC champion.

An undefeated Ohio St that beats either NW, Wiscy, or Iowa during champions week will stay ahead of the PAC champ.

But I will concede that an undefeated PAC champ would probably jump over Cincy and BYU in the rankings, and jump over pretty much everybody else except Bama, FL, Clem, ND and Ohio St.

 

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