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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: December 1 CFP rankings
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2020, 10:26:34 AM »
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Often my jokes have an audience of 1.

They still make me smile.
I think that's called 'mental masturbation.'
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Re: December 1 CFP rankings
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2020, 10:28:33 AM »
Quote from: LittlePig on December 02, 2020, 10:52:33 PM
Possibly a 1-loss Alabama if its a close loss in the SEC CCG, would stay ahead of an undefeated PAC champion.  This is a certainty.

Possibly a 1-loss ND if its a close loss in the ACC CCG, would stay ahead of an undefeated PAC champion.  Another certainty.

An undefeated Ohio St that beats either NW, Wiscy, or Iowa during champions week will stay ahead of the PAC champ.  Of course.

But I will concede that an undefeated PAC champ would probably jump over Cincy and BYU in the rankings, and jump over pretty much everybody else except Bama, FL, Clem, ND and Ohio St.
Cincinnati is light years ahead of a 6-0 USC or UW. 
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Re: December 1 CFP rankings
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2020, 10:39:48 AM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on December 02, 2020, 05:30:31 PM
You could be right and I did say "probably" for them because winning out *MIGHT* not be enough, but bottom line, I don't think they need any help. 

They are way down at #20 and #22 right now so that looks problematic but if either of them were to win out they would be an undefeated P5 Champion. 

To your point, I do think that some of it has to do with how well the other one does.  Ie, if they both win out to the P12CG, then I think the winner is almost certainly guaranteed of a spot because they'd both be something like top-10 by then so that would give the winner a signature victory. 

Who are you thinking would stay ahead of them?

I'm thinking ONLY the following:
  • The SEC Champion (almost certainly either Bama or Florida). 
  • The ACC Champion (almost certainly either Clemson or ND). 
  • The B1G Champion if they are undefeated (could only be tOSU). 
That is it.  What other team or teams do you think would be ahead of an undefeated P12 Champion USC or Washington? 



If Florida beats Bama (lol) then Florida would get in, and Bama could still get in as a 1-loss team. 

If Clemson wins the rematch with the Domers in the CCG and both have only one loss that was against each other....

An undefeated OSU might be on the outside looking in, and an undefeated USC/UDub would be ranked #6.
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Re: December 1 CFP rankings
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2020, 10:44:36 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 03, 2020, 10:26:34 AM
I think that's called 'mental masturbation.'
Well it does often involve the internet.
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Re: December 1 CFP rankings
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2020, 10:53:04 AM »
Quote from: LittlePig on December 02, 2020, 10:52:33 PM
Possibly a 1-loss Alabama if its a close loss in the SEC CCG, would stay ahead of an undefeated PAC champion.

Possibly a 1-loss ND if its a close loss in the ACC CCG, would stay ahead of an undefeated PAC champion.

An undefeated Ohio St that beats either NW, Wiscy, or Iowa during champions week will stay ahead of the PAC champ.

But I will concede that an undefeated PAC champ would probably jump over Cincy and BYU in the rankings, and jump over pretty much everybody else except Bama, FL, Clem, ND and Ohio St.
I listed three which included an undefeated tOSU.  

You listed two more possibilities:
  • A 1-loss Bama whose loss was close in the SECCG.  
  • A 1-loss ND whose loss was close to Clemson in the ACCCG.  

You might be right on #1 which is why I said "probably" in the original post on the matter.  The PAC's worst-case-scenario for that would be:
  • Bama and UF both win out to the SECCG.  
  • UF beats Bama in a close and possibly controversial game.  

If it ended up between 1-loss non-Champion Bama and undefeated PAC Champion USC or Washington, I could see the Trojans or Huskies losing out.  I don't think it matters because I think the chances of that and everything else necessary to keep an undefeated PAC Champion out happening are remote.    

I think that a one-loss Notre Dame would be seen for what they are:  A team that got lucky to get a non-full-strength Clemson at home and took advantage with an OT win over them then lost to Clemson when the Tigers were at full strength.  The committee would see that and ND would be out, IMHO.  

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Re: December 1 CFP rankings
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2020, 11:06:19 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 03, 2020, 10:28:33 AM
Cincinnati is light years ahead of a 6-0 USC or UW.
I don't even think that a 1-loss non-Champion Bama beating out an undefeated PAC Champion USC or Washington is a certainty, see above.  

I strongly disagree with your assertion that a 1-loss non-champion ND beating out an undefeated USC or UW is a certainty.  I see that as uncertain but a LOT closer to certainly not, than certainly so.  

I agree that an undefeated tOSU would beat out an undefeated USC or Washington and said so in my initial post on the matter.  

I am shocked to see this comment about Cincinnati from you of all people.  You have always been on my side in the discussions of the relative merits of G5 teams.  Cincinnati is nowhere near the level of the top contenders in the P5 leagues.  
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on December 03, 2020, 10:39:48 AM
If Florida beats Bama (lol) then Florida would get in, and Bama could still get in as a 1-loss team.

If Clemson wins the rematch with the Domers in the CCG and both have only one loss that was against each other....

An undefeated OSU might be on the outside looking in, and an undefeated USC/UDub would be ranked #6.
Assuming that all of this happened you are arguing that the final CFP rankings would be:
  • 1-loss SEC Champion Florida (lost to aTm)
  • 1-loss ACC Champion Clemson (lost to ND on the road while short-handed then avenged that loss in the ACCCG)
  • 1-loss non-Champion Bama (lost to Florida in the SECCG)
  • 1-loss Notre Dame (lost to Clemson in the ACCCG)
  • UNDEFEATED B1G Champion tOSU
  • UNDEFEATED PAC Champion USC/UW

Frankly, I think this is ludicrous.  First, vis-a-vis Ohio State:

The Buckeyes are only two spots behind the Irish now (#2 vs #4).  You are suggesting that Ohio State winning out and winning the B1G while ND loses a game and doesn't win their conference wouldn't be enough for tOSU to jump them?  Seriously?  

In that scenario Ohio State would be guaranteed of a CFP berth and probably #1.  They would be no worse than #3 behind the SEC and ACC Champions.  The debate would be at #4 between ND and the PAC Champion:

Second vis-a-vis USC/UW:

I highly doubt it, but you *could* be right here.  USC and UW are 18 and 20 spots down on the Irish right now.  I think going undefeated and winning their conference while ND does neither of those things is enough to make that up but I could be wrong.  

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Re: December 1 CFP rankings
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2020, 11:39:39 AM »

We've seen the CFP committees "logic" vary wildly from week to week in the past. 

No way they keep a one loss ND out of the playoffs. Nor a one loss Clemson, Florida or Alabama. 

Nor is OSU guaranteed a Big Ten Title if they go undefeated. 

They will use that as well as the number of games in order to justify keeping OSU out if all four of those teams only have one loss. 

JMHO, obviously. 
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Re: December 1 CFP rankings
« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2020, 12:33:12 PM »
It's fine.  Ohio State can play Washington or USC in the Covid bowl to decide who is the non-SEC/ACC champion.
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Re: December 1 CFP rankings
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2020, 02:47:48 PM »
Been there done that, and then did it again. 
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Re: December 1 CFP rankings
« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2020, 02:54:12 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on December 03, 2020, 11:06:19 AM

I am shocked to see this comment about Cincinnati from you of all people.  You have always been on my side in the discussions of the relative merits of G5 teams.  Cincinnati is nowhere near the level of the top contenders in the P5 leagues. 


I'm not predicting what SHOULD happen, but what WOULD happen.  
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Re: December 1 CFP rankings
« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2020, 02:56:33 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 03, 2020, 02:54:12 PM
I'm not predicting what SHOULD happen, but what WOULD happen. 
Ah ok.  I get it now.  I still disagree but I see where you are coming from.  We may get a chance to find out, we'll see.  
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Re: December 1 CFP rankings
« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2020, 02:59:54 PM »
The PAC teams are screwed because this isn't late September.  They're 3-0 and have no time to move up.  There aren't enough games left to crack the top of the rankings.  USC can curb-stomp the rest of their schedule and they'd peak at around 10th.


Alabama can lose to whoever and still get in.  If Clemson dominates ND, ND could be out.  Cicinnati is right there already.  That's why they're light-years ahead of the PAC champion.  


Part of the small sample size is a lack of elite opponents.  Even if ND loses big to Clemson, it's still a loss to an elite team.  No one can say, with any certainty, that a 6-0 team is elite, whether they happen to be 6-0 midseason (normally) or 6-0 at the end of the season.


OSU is in.  They are a blueblood.  

But guys, if Cincinnati gets in and plays an undefeated Bama, we're all going to bed at halftime.
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Re: December 1 CFP rankings
« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2020, 03:01:56 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 02, 2020, 07:24:08 PM
You're entertaining only yourself.


It appears as though you are the only one that didn't find it funny.
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Re: December 1 CFP rankings
« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2020, 06:58:37 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on December 03, 2020, 10:39:48 AM
If Florida beats Bama (lol) then Florida would get in, and Bama could still get in as a 1-loss team.

If Clemson wins the rematch with the Domers in the CCG and both have only one loss that was against each other....

An undefeated OSU might be on the outside looking in, and an undefeated USC/UDub would be ranked #6.

If this were to happen 2 SEC, and 2 ACC teams over undefeated B1G and P12. Boy would I be pissed.
But I hope the committee would come forward and say what we all are thinking that those 2 conferences had small minded and weak leadership, causing their champions to not have a large enough body of work to allow them inclusion to this years tournament.
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