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Topic: Is Urby In Trouble Here?

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Entropy

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1232 on: September 20, 2018, 01:09:14 PM »
I think we can agree on Urban, like Saban, views the media or these PR needs to be a nuisance to what they want to accomplish.    You can extend that to they think they are above questioning... but whatever.   At the core, they are annoyed by PR and Media.

Everything else is bias shaped by past events or relationship to OSU.    Nebraska fans view St. Thomas de la Osborne differently than the media portrayed him in 1995.   Knocking the king off is great media.   So I hesitate to trash anyone without warrant.  

That said...  I feel Urban knows his job is to win games.   You justify recruiting, staffing, etc based upon that goal... what he's paid to do.  Doesn't mean you're pro recruiting criminals or want wife beaters on your staff, but human nature is to explain or see what we want.  Perhaps it was a tough upbringing and getting him out of that environment will change him.  Perhaps the couple is in counseling and what matters they are working on it.  I don't think Urban is different than many other coaches in that regard.   But if you held him on the pedestal of someone like Saint Tom Osborne, you'll be disappointed.   I had not... he's what he was at Florida.  

If I do have an issue with Urban.... it seemed oblivious to the current climate on violence towards women.   I do believe he was tone death to it. 
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1233 on: September 20, 2018, 01:16:29 PM »
As one of the older fan, that I guess is in the minority according to Mrnubbz,
RR,I'm not on the DV bandwagon it's all the other crap,drinking,strip bars,late or absent to meetings excessively so and ad nauseam,across 2 programs and 10 yrs.And then not having a professional,prompt and rational response to media inquiries.After giving the Program/University a black eye he doesn't deserve to rake in 6-7 million and certainly not in C-Bus.Hey at least we'll get him started on his true calling - Politics,he naturally possesses the needed attributes/qualities
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1234 on: September 20, 2018, 01:53:53 PM »
Yeah, I think the thread has been much more zoomed in than "was there enabling/covering up?" I'll admit that was the discussion when we lacked info before the investigation went public. But then we transitioned into facts.

Since then, this thread has been almost entirely about three things:
  • Urban and his DFO conspired to delete text messages
I don't think this is that condemning,people wipe clean their phones/PCs all the time - its even recommended.Although it appears seedy because of the corresponding timeline to an inquiry.Like Zachs dismissal right after an incredibly unflattering story(s) broke.There is a lot of coincidences involved if you're expecting to be taken credibly 
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« Reply #1235 on: September 20, 2018, 02:01:39 PM »
my gut tells me that text messages were deleted from Urban's phone

probably by some college kid in the football office that knows more about phones than Urban

the report had a strong statement regarding this issue
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

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« Reply #1236 on: September 20, 2018, 02:11:31 PM »
Ain't nothin' but a thing - move along!
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1237 on: September 20, 2018, 02:46:26 PM »
I've moved

42 pages was plenty for me
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1238 on: September 20, 2018, 02:55:17 PM »
I don't think this is that condemning,people wipe clean their phones/PCs all the time - its even recommended.Although it appears seedy because of the corresponding timeline to an inquiry.Like Zachs dismissal right after an incredibly unflattering story(s) broke.There is a lot of coincidences involved if you're expecting to be taken credibly
I'm not saying it happened for sure and Urban absolutely may have already had his phone set up to automatically delete messages before any of this happened. The concerning part isn't that they were deleted, it's that the investigation revealed a conversation between Urban and his DFO that things were getting "bad" and his text messages should be deleted. 
As in the report: "Often, although not always, such reactions evidence consciousness of guilt."

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1239 on: September 20, 2018, 03:17:36 PM »
Well just color me shocked
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1240 on: September 20, 2018, 03:18:39 PM »
I've moved

42 pages was plenty for me
We'll be welcoming Nebraska to the BIG shortly
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« Reply #1241 on: September 20, 2018, 03:34:20 PM »
I will dig up that long lost thread!
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« Reply #1242 on: September 20, 2018, 04:32:07 PM »
Please no,in the name of all that's holy and righteous 
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1243 on: September 20, 2018, 09:27:30 PM »
There are multiple issues here. I honestly don't believe that Urban condones DV, and had he found Courtney credible, and truly believe Zach hit her, I think he would have been gone.

The problem is the pattern:

  • Knew of and was involved in the 2009 allegations, in which no charges were filed. Obviously doesn't prove anything about ZS, but goes to show that clearly there were issues in that marriage.
  • When hiring ZS at OSU, didn't disclose the 2009 issues at all. As stated by the report, he was not required to disclose them, but given future points discussed below, is a potential judgement error.
  • In 2014, ZS goes to a strip club with HS coaches. It's not clear whether this is an NCAA violation, but Urban was without a doubt aware of this and didn't report a potential violation to Compliance.
  • In the 2015 investigation, in addition to not reporting anything to Compliance, Urban apparently didn't report anything about the 2009 allegations to Gene Smith, to HR, to anyone. Seems like this would be highly pertinent information for anyone monitoring the investigation.
  • Through late 2015 and into 2016, ZS had numerous issues. Being late. Not going on recruiting trips and lying to say he was there. Gene even recommended that Urban fire ZS over this, and he did not do so.
  • June 2016 Urban advised ZS to go into rehab for a substance abuse issue.
  • Upon the start of the investigation, Urban apparently looked into ways to clear old text messages--whether he deleted any is unknown. Perhaps his phone already had the setting turned on so he didn't have to, and thus could truthfully say he didn't delete anything because the setting already took care of it.  


The pattern is one of continually protecting someone who was a ticking time bomb. Of withholding key information from Gene Smith and HR during the 2015 investigation that could have affected their recommendations or decisions in the matter. Of allowing himself to be blinded by nepotism in his loyalty to Earl Bruce's progeny to the detriment of the team, and eventually of his own and the university's reputation.

The pattern is that while none of us know whether ZS actually committed DV, Urban showed a consistent pattern to shield ZS from scrutiny and accountability, and thus it's hard for anyone outside of Columbus to truly believe that he would have taken the right steps absent basically a smoking gun.

Again, I think Urban probably found CS to lack credibility, and believed that while the relationship between CS and ZS was toxic, that Zach wasn't abusing her. But one wonders--absent an eyewitness report of ZS slugging Courtney--how long Urban would have looked the other way?
I think this pretty much sums up what I concluded from the whole ordeal. Great post @bwarbiany 

 

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