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Topic: Colleges cutting sports: good or bad?

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Re: Colleges cutting sports: good or bad?
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2020, 08:07:37 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 17, 2020, 01:21:37 AM
Salaries and travel? 
I mean, I guess?  Bowling Green plays in an area with a ton of other schools.  I don't know that they would have to do much more than charter a bus for games.  While I understand the explosion in money for profit sports like football, nonprofiting sports should be able to control their costs pretty easily. 
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Re: Colleges cutting sports: good or bad?
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2020, 10:56:48 AM »
I rode back from Hawaii on a plane with the NMSU female soccer team.  They were really attractive young ladies, but I was musing about how expensive that travel was for their athletic department.

Each AD can make his own decisions depending on Title IX and whatever else.
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« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2020, 11:15:39 AM »
Travel expenses for northern baseball and softball teams are high because their non-con games start in February so most of those are played in warmer parts of the country. It won't happen, but the obvious solution is to start the season in April and let it last through July and the postseason in August.

Alternatively, you could just spilt college baseball into two subdivisions like college football is (I don't understand why that hasn't happened in other sports). The power conferences and probably some other Southern and Western conferences would compete at the top level and the rest at the second level, and their season would start later, but I doubt that will happen, either.
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Re: Colleges cutting sports: good or bad?
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2020, 12:01:27 PM »
It would make sense for conferences to emphasize geographical proximity, the way they did 100 years ago.  West Virginia in the Big 12 really makes no geographical sense (of course, neither does the name "Big 12," but that's another issue).  Nor does Missouri in the SEC-East.  Nor does Colorado in the Pac-12.  Those schools are in those conferences for other reasons.  But if we are headed into an era of cutting back on expenses, maybe those other reasons are a bit less compelling.
Another round of conference realignment coming, with this one focused on cutting travel expenses?
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Re: Colleges cutting sports: good or bad?
« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2020, 12:09:47 PM »
those schools are in those conferences for only one reason - TV money

if the increased TV money doesn't cover the travel expense than you might see some movement

I'm guessing TV money is king - no movement
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« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2020, 01:32:31 PM »
Central Michigan just cut its men's track program yet is apparently keeping its cross country program (which generally compete in long distance track events and get more scholarship money that way). This is the kind of move that doesn't make sense. At this point they should drop men's XC, too, and start a hockey program instead (the future CCHA wants to add new teams after effectively dropping the Alaska schools and UAH), or some other men's sport (they already have a women's programs for lacrosse and soccer so that would be easier to add).

Some conferences have actually become more regionalized in recent years after being too spread out before. The Big West is now only California schools and Hawaii. The Summit League is now concentrated around the Dakota schools, Omaha and Kansas City, with Western Illinois being the biggest outlier after IUPUI and PFW left.... The WAC is the most spreadout conference, and they only reason it still exists is because whenever someone leaves there's another D2 school that every other conference turned down ready to take its place.
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Re: Colleges cutting sports: good or bad?
« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2020, 02:29:40 PM »
Furman dropped lacrosse, they had the only D1 team in SC. They dropped baseball as well, fwiw. 
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« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2020, 11:54:25 AM »
No surprise that UAH decided to drop their hockey program.
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« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2020, 10:01:04 AM »
not many women's programs being cut
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Re: Colleges cutting sports: good or bad?
« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2020, 12:15:54 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on May 24, 2020, 10:01:04 AM
not many women's programs being cut
Title IX
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Re: Colleges cutting sports: good or bad?
« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2020, 01:32:14 PM »
Quote from: MichiFan87 on May 19, 2020, 01:32:31 PM
Central Michigan just cut its men's track program yet is apparently keeping its cross country program (which generally compete in long distance track events and get more scholarship money that way). This is the kind of move that doesn't make sense. At this point they should drop men's XC, too, and start a hockey program instead (the future CCHA wants to add new teams after effectively dropping the Alaska schools and UAH), or some other men's sport (they already have a women's programs for lacrosse and soccer so that would be easier to add).

Some conferences have actually become more regionalized in recent years after being too spread out before. The Big West is now only California schools and Hawaii. The Summit League is now concentrated around the Dakota schools, Omaha and Kansas City, with Western Illinois being the biggest outlier after IUPUI and PFW left.... The WAC is the most spreadout conference, and they only reason it still exists is because whenever someone leaves there's another D2 school that every other conference turned down ready to take its place.
They want to save money, not spend more. 

That department brings in like $9 million total and gets $30 million from the school.
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Re: Colleges cutting sports: good or bad?
« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2020, 11:53:42 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on May 24, 2020, 01:32:14 PM
They want to save money, not spend more.

That department brings in like $9 million total and gets $30 million from the school.
That's part of it, but potential to be competitive matters, too, and I think Central Michigan could be, at least within the CCHA. That's why I suggested hockey instead of lacrosse, where public regional schools haven't been successful, even at the club level, and don't really compete in D1.

But why not sponsor a less common sport like men's volleyball then? The facilities are already there. If Title IX is an issue in their case, then add a women's sport instead.

Regardless, they need to add something because they fell below the required number of teams: https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/2020/05/19/a-new-reality-cmu-cuts-mens-indoor-outdoor-track-amid-covid-19-crisis/5219792002/
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