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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Mdot21 on May 15, 2020, 04:12:37 PM
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I tend to think good. Most of these athletic department budgets are bloated and support way too many programs which lose money and do nothing but throw money down the drain. Throwing good money after bad. Makes no sense.
Akron cuts men’s cross country, women’s tennis, and men’s golf. Bowling Green eliminates its baseball program.
Hopefully when everything gets back to normal this starts to be more wide spread and the programs that actually make money like football and men’s basketball can start paying their players.
College basketball has become unwatchable because there’s next to zero development of players. Back in the day the top guys used to stay 3 to 4 years. It was rare when someone left after 2. All the 1 and dones and top HS players going overseas has watered down the game. It’s even affected the NBA and made it unwatchable. So many lottery draft pick are busts because they never had the time to develop in college.
Maybe if they slash sports that suck and no one gives a shit about and start paying players they can reverse that trend and make college basketball great again.
It would crush me if that same sort of thing happened to college football. College football is the greatest sport their is and if all the top players stop participating and go another route the sport will suffer like college basketball has suffered.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/akron-eliminates-three-sports-programs-for-financial-reasons-amid-covid-19-crisis/amp/
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bad
sports are good for young people
even being on a crappy team teaches good things
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There's so much uncertainty over the future of higher education anyway, and the pandemic has just exacerbated that.
There's a lot of lesser-known small private colleges that have been closing (or merged together / acquired by a larger university) and will continue to, which will primarily shrink D3 and NAIA..... Smaller, regional public colleges could also be in trouble. A lot of these schools are in D2 and D3 in leagues like the PSAC, GLIAC, and WIAC. If nothing else I suspect their enrollments will shrink with continued decline of college-aged people which is going to drop off dramatically in the next 5 years as a result of the 2008 recession.
I would think that a lot of community college courses and programs would be offered primarily if not exclusively online in the future. Obviously that's not possible for various programs that lead to careers that can't be done remotely like electricians.... Residential colleges and universities will want to bring back the traditional college experience, of course, but to the extent that happens is uncertain.
On the side of sports, though, I think part of the problem is that a lot of schools have teams that have no chance of being competitive, in some cases even within their own league, much less nationally. For example, a lot of cold-weather schools have no chance of being competitive in baseball, but for some reason they still have teams. A lot of the private colleges would probably be much more likely to become competitive in lacrosse (which still only has ~70 teams in D1) and a lot of the public ones in the Northeast and Midwest could probably be competitive in hockey (eg. Green Bay, Northern Illinois, Buffalo, Binghamton), which still only has ~60 schools between D1 and D2 combined, just as other schools in their conferences already have lacrosse and hockey teams, respectively.
Long Island is kind of an interesting situation. In addition to just adding a hockey program, they had just combined their athletic departments (one of which was already D1 and the other D2) into one D1 program but still split across the two campuses..... I could see the same thing happening with other universities with more than one campus where there isn't a dominant one. For instance, Alaska has had budget problems that could end up shutting down the hockey programs of both Anchorage and Fairbanks (along with other teams). It may be in their best interest to merge athletic departments (even though they're rivals) in order to preserve at least one team in hockey and other sports..... The same thing could happen between merged schools, as well.
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People don't need a 4 year degree to do most of the jobs that are out there.
A 2 year is just fine, and in many cases, a certificate is fine too.
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People don't need a 4 year degree to do most of the jobs that are out there.
A 2 year is just fine, and in many cases, a certificate is fine too.
Strong agree here.
It's funny, there are certain things that locked in as part of American life during and after WWII, and the expectation of college, then via the GI bill, is certianly one. Also college cost worlds less back then.
That isn't to say there shouldn't be some english departments or classics majors in the world, but balances have been tipped.
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I don't like it, but they don't care what I think.
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People don't need a 4 year degree to do most of the jobs that are out there.
A 2 year is just fine, and in many cases, a certificate is fine too.
I think a certificate in many cases is better than the 2-year degree.
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Problem is how do you trim non money maker sports that have actual scholarship student-athletes.And keep athletes that can't make grade but can play sports.Good luck selling that to the paying parents of student athletes.Tell the No Fun League to pony up
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I believe a State Farm agent has to have a college degree. To see insurance, and assist clients. Many jobs have this kind of requirement even though the nature of the degree is irrelevant. I've mentioned before my daughter has a double degree in English and French from THE Ohio State University. She's making very good money as a web designer in Columbus now. She would not have that job without a degree in something.
In general, you need a degree in something to be a commissioned officer in the US Military.
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yes, but "should" a degree in something be required to be an officer?
Why not have a 2 year degree or certificate for english or french?
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I don't have a great sense as to why programs are so expensive
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I believe a State Farm agent has to have a college degree. To see insurance, and assist clients. Many jobs have this kind of requirement even though the nature of the degree is irrelevant. I've mentioned before my daughter has a double degree in English and French from THE Ohio State University. She's making very good money as a web designer in Columbus now. She would not have that job without a degree in something.
In general, you need a degree in something to be a commissioned officer in the US Military.
I think it's still the case that all four services have commissioning programs that do not require 4-year degrees if the applicant is already a member of the service. Officer Candidate School (US Army), Officer Training School (USAF), maybe other names for the sea services. Generally, the officer so commissioned has to attain a 4-year degree if he wants to make it past O-3.
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I don't have a great sense as to why programs are so expensive
Salaries and travel?
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I believe a State Farm agent has to have a college degree. To see insurance, and assist clients. Many jobs have this kind of requirement even though the nature of the degree is irrelevant. I've mentioned before my daughter has a double degree in English and French from THE Ohio State University. She's making very good money as a web designer in Columbus now. She would not have that job without a degree in something.
In general, you need a degree in something to be a commissioned officer in the US Military.
This is changing rather rapidly, as apprenticeship programs become more prevalent.
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Salaries and travel?
I mean, I guess? Bowling Green plays in an area with a ton of other schools. I don't know that they would have to do much more than charter a bus for games. While I understand the explosion in money for profit sports like football, nonprofiting sports should be able to control their costs pretty easily.
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I rode back from Hawaii on a plane with the NMSU female soccer team. They were really attractive young ladies, but I was musing about how expensive that travel was for their athletic department.
Each AD can make his own decisions depending on Title IX and whatever else.
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Travel expenses for northern baseball and softball teams are high because their non-con games start in February so most of those are played in warmer parts of the country. It won't happen, but the obvious solution is to start the season in April and let it last through July and the postseason in August.
Alternatively, you could just spilt college baseball into two subdivisions like college football is (I don't understand why that hasn't happened in other sports). The power conferences and probably some other Southern and Western conferences would compete at the top level and the rest at the second level, and their season would start later, but I doubt that will happen, either.
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It would make sense for conferences to emphasize geographical proximity, the way they did 100 years ago. West Virginia in the Big 12 really makes no geographical sense (of course, neither does the name "Big 12," but that's another issue). Nor does Missouri in the SEC-East. Nor does Colorado in the Pac-12. Those schools are in those conferences for other reasons. But if we are headed into an era of cutting back on expenses, maybe those other reasons are a bit less compelling.
Another round of conference realignment coming, with this one focused on cutting travel expenses?
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those schools are in those conferences for only one reason - TV money
if the increased TV money doesn't cover the travel expense than you might see some movement
I'm guessing TV money is king - no movement
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Central Michigan just cut its men's track program yet is apparently keeping its cross country program (which generally compete in long distance track events and get more scholarship money that way). This is the kind of move that doesn't make sense. At this point they should drop men's XC, too, and start a hockey program instead (the future CCHA wants to add new teams after effectively dropping the Alaska schools and UAH), or some other men's sport (they already have a women's programs for lacrosse and soccer so that would be easier to add).
Some conferences have actually become more regionalized in recent years after being too spread out before. The Big West is now only California schools and Hawaii. The Summit League is now concentrated around the Dakota schools, Omaha and Kansas City, with Western Illinois being the biggest outlier after IUPUI and PFW left.... The WAC is the most spreadout conference, and they only reason it still exists is because whenever someone leaves there's another D2 school that every other conference turned down ready to take its place.
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Furman dropped lacrosse, they had the only D1 team in SC. They dropped baseball as well, fwiw.
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No surprise that UAH decided to drop their hockey program.
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not many women's programs being cut
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not many women's programs being cut
Title IX
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Central Michigan just cut its men's track program yet is apparently keeping its cross country program (which generally compete in long distance track events and get more scholarship money that way). This is the kind of move that doesn't make sense. At this point they should drop men's XC, too, and start a hockey program instead (the future CCHA wants to add new teams after effectively dropping the Alaska schools and UAH), or some other men's sport (they already have a women's programs for lacrosse and soccer so that would be easier to add).
Some conferences have actually become more regionalized in recent years after being too spread out before. The Big West is now only California schools and Hawaii. The Summit League is now concentrated around the Dakota schools, Omaha and Kansas City, with Western Illinois being the biggest outlier after IUPUI and PFW left.... The WAC is the most spreadout conference, and they only reason it still exists is because whenever someone leaves there's another D2 school that every other conference turned down ready to take its place.
They want to save money, not spend more.
That department brings in like $9 million total and gets $30 million from the school.
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They want to save money, not spend more.
That department brings in like $9 million total and gets $30 million from the school.
That's part of it, but potential to be competitive matters, too, and I think Central Michigan could be, at least within the CCHA. That's why I suggested hockey instead of lacrosse, where public regional schools haven't been successful, even at the club level, and don't really compete in D1.
But why not sponsor a less common sport like men's volleyball then? The facilities are already there. If Title IX is an issue in their case, then add a women's sport instead.
Regardless, they need to add something because they fell below the required number of teams: https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/2020/05/19/a-new-reality-cmu-cuts-mens-indoor-outdoor-track-amid-covid-19-crisis/5219792002/ (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/2020/05/19/a-new-reality-cmu-cuts-mens-indoor-outdoor-track-amid-covid-19-crisis/5219792002/)