CFP Thread

[bayareabadger]

The Notre Dame freeze out begins??


https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/notre-dame-vs-usc-rivalry-hiatus-big-ten/

That was in the works for a while. 

It’s going to happen not heavily for intentional reasons but because every league is going to 9 conference games. So you’re going to have to weasel out a bunch of schedule exemptions to get them games across the back half of the season. 

[OrangeAfroMan]

We could get to both, if the decision-makers would stop getting in the way.

EVERYONE knows the SEC and Big Ten are a step above the others.  Everyone knows the ACC and Big XII are a step above the G5.  Why are we pretending that they do or should play on equal footing?  It's that goddamn big fat lie again.

SO, the Big XII and ACC need to just combine their 16-20 best programs and cut the fat off.  Create a conference that one could argue is similar to the SEC and Big Ten.  THEN we can have those conf champs host playoff games, AND have big-boy at-large teams included as well.  

Separately:
my problem with the 12-team format isn't even that there aren't 12 teams really in the running for the NC (there aren't) or that it's too many (it is).
My biggest problem with the jump from 4 to 12 is the decision-makers irrational aversion to a nice square tournament number like 8.
Why do we need play-ins or extra rounds or byes?!?  WHY?!?!  Here's the 8, here's the simple bracket, play it out.  Done.  

They get cute and extra when the assignment is simple and plain.  WHY?!?

[medinabuckeye1]

Finally, on a personal note, you are too old to be calling people names when they disagree with you on something like college football playoff formats.

LoL at this from you.  

I didn't call it toddler logic because you disagreed with me.  I called out your childish behavior because you stomped your foot, repeated the exact words used to defeat your "argument", and refused to engage and acknowledge the fact that winning a crap league isn't the same thing as winning an actual conference.  

Act like a child, get called a toddler.  Grow up, join the discussion in a logical way like an adult and I will not have a reason to call you a toddler.  

[OrangeAfroMan]

OU went 10-2 vs a schedule with 8 top 50 teams on it.
JMU went 11-1 vs a schedule with 1 top 50 team on it and lost to it.

[847badgerfan]

We could get to both, if the decision-makers would stop getting in the way.

EVERYONE knows the SEC and Big Ten are a step above the others.  Everyone knows the ACC and Big XII are a step above the G5.  Why are we pretending that they do or should play on equal footing?  It's that goddamn big fat lie again.

SO, the Big XII and ACC need to just combine their 16-20 best programs and cut the fat off.  Create a conference that one could argue is similar to the SEC and Big Ten.  THEN we can have those conf champs host playoff games, AND have big-boy at-large teams included as well. 

Separately:
my problem with the 12-team format isn't even that there aren't 12 teams really in the running for the NC (there aren't) or that it's too many (it is).
My biggest problem with the jump from 4 to 12 is the decision-makers irrational aversion to a nice square tournament number like 8.
Why do we need play-ins or extra rounds or byes?!?  WHY?!?!  Here's the 8, here's the simple bracket, play it out.  Done. 

They get cute and extra when the assignment is simple and plain.  WHY?!?

What does that look like?

[betarhoalphadelta]

my problem with the 12-team format isn't even that there aren't 12 teams really in the running for the NC (there aren't) or that it's too many (it is).
My biggest problem with the jump from 4 to 12 is the decision-makers irrational aversion to a nice square tournament number like 8.
Why do we need play-ins or extra rounds or byes?!?  WHY?!?!  Here's the 8, here's the simple bracket, play it out.  Done. 

They get cute and extra when the assignment is simple and plain.  WHY?!?

What does that look like?

It's questionable, but mine would be 5+3. Top 5 conference champs, 3 at large. Top 4 teams host at home in the quarterfinals.

Unfortunately you pretty much HAVE to give a spot to potential G5 teams. Whether it's the "big lie" or not, as long as we have the big lie that they're part of the same system as everyone else, 

If you REALLY wanted to, you could put a minimum CFP committee ranking on the conference champs. I.e. you can't qualify unless you're top 20 or better. That would have limited us to 4 conference champs + 4 at-large this year, with Tulane getting in but JMU not. In some years it would allow 4 P4 conference champs and the top G5 would be eliminated.

But I agree with OAM on this... 12 is a terrible number. ESPECIALLY because the top 4 teams don't even get HFA; they get the bye but then they play at a neutral field. And as we all know, for any team not named USC or UCLA in the B1G, a "neutral field" bowl game is often a road game, commonly in SEC country.

[MaximumSam]

OU went 10-2 vs a schedule with 8 top 50 teams on it.
JMU went 11-1 vs a schedule with 1 top 50 team on it and lost to it.

And still, I think JMU would give the Sooners a pretty good game. They are much more inept than Oregon on offense. 

[847badgerfan]

It's questionable, but mine would be 5+3. Top 5 conference champs, 3 at large. Top 4 teams host at home in the quarterfinals.

Unfortunately you pretty much HAVE to give a spot to potential G5 teams. Whether it's the "big lie" or not, as long as we have the big lie that they're part of the same system as everyone else,

If you REALLY wanted to, you could put a minimum CFP committee ranking on the conference champs. I.e. you can't qualify unless you're top 20 or better. That would have limited us to 4 conference champs + 4 at-large this year, with Tulane getting in but JMU not. In some years it would allow 4 P4 conference champs and the top G5 would be eliminated.

But I agree with OAM on this... 12 is a terrible number. ESPECIALLY because the top 4 teams don't even get HFA; they get the bye but then they play at a neutral field. And as we all know, for any team not named USC or UCLA in the B1G, a "neutral field" bowl game is often a road game, commonly in SEC country.

What I was asking is what a combined ACC/XII looks like. What schools are the "fat"?

I mean there are obvious ones, it seems, but the SEC and B1G have some of those too.

[betarhoalphadelta]

Ahh, got it. I guess I misunderstood the question. 

[847badgerfan]

Where would Indiana be if the B1G trimmed the fat 5 years ago?

[betarhoalphadelta]

Where would Indiana be if the B1G trimmed the fat 5 years ago?

Where they belong. The dustbin of history. 

(Yes, I know my team would be there with them...)

[847badgerfan]

Where they belong. The dustbin of history.

(Yes, I know my team would be there with them...)

My team would be there if it were to happen today.

[OrangeAfroMan]

The Atlantic XVIII Conference would be comprised of the teams that new, combined entity wanted. 

If that were to actually happen, the Big Ten and SEC would need to even out, so either the SEC poaches 2 from the XII/ACC or they both go to 20.  Let's just say 18.

If the SEC had unfettered access to any 2 programs, I THINK they'd do the once-traditional footprint expansion with UNC and UVA.  If UNC wouldn't do it without another school from NC, that would complicate things.  Let's just say NCST and VT to simplify things.

The new, combined conference would simply draft teams until they get to 18.
There would be enough backroom deals and big-monied handshakes during this time to make the old SWC blush.

The point is, you'd have 3 conferences of 18 each.  These 3 champs would host 1st round games in an 8-team playoff.
The G5 would have their own playoff, funded by the big-boy conferences. 

54 teams on an even footing would be great.  So would 60.  Hell, with 60 (20 ea), you could split back into divisions, have everyone play everyone else in their 10-team divisions, and all 6 of them could be in the playoff. 

There's even, fair, square ways to do this that seem utterly foreign to the decision-makers.

[847badgerfan]

Well, if the B1G and SEC each went to 20, that's 6 of the top programs no longer available for the ACC and XII to merge with. That conference would not be on equal footing in any sense.

SEC takes UNC, UVA, NCSU and VT.

B1G takes FSU and someone - maybe even ND.

What's left in the ACC/XII?