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MrNubbz

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Re: Board discussion and feedback
« Reply #84 on: October 18, 2018, 04:42:23 PM »
Well you prolly hear that when they get the bill
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« Reply #85 on: October 18, 2018, 05:12:08 PM »
I'm a freakin' Land Surveyor. Get lost, my ass.
Not everyone has that. And ALL of those people are best off if they master their cardinal directions. 
If using a GPS unit is like using a calculator in school and never practicing the math yourself, using "go left/right" is like learning a few convenient arithmetic rules ("carry the one"), but never actually understanding the underlying math for itself. 
Only the people who master their cardinal directions are going to be set in truly any situation. Left/right is just a proxy that often works equally well. And sometimes when it fails, whoa nelly.

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« Reply #86 on: October 18, 2018, 05:23:01 PM »
All that aside, my monitor is a flat rectangle. Not a sphere. 
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Re: Board discussion and feedback
« Reply #87 on: October 18, 2018, 05:51:23 PM »
So is your map. And both explain why, on first impressions, we come away thinking Greenland is as large as Africa when in reality it's only about the size of Algeria. Or that Antarctica is big like Eurasia. It's a main flaw of the Mercator Projection, whose lines of longitude do not converge to a pole but simply run parallel at every point, which over-represents land masses as you move north or south from the equator.


Projecting a sphere onto a flat surface is an unsolved challenge. All of these have utility. But maybe I like the Waterman Butterfly Projection best (not seen here)
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Re: Board discussion and feedback
« Reply #88 on: October 18, 2018, 06:04:32 PM »
What the hell would the purpose be for the map/globe in the bottom left hand corner.Did Picasso paint that,make it red and put it on the badgers helmet
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« Reply #89 on: October 18, 2018, 06:09:18 PM »
Yeah I've taken a bunch of cartography courses. I know how maps work.
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« Reply #90 on: October 18, 2018, 06:58:44 PM »
Since Earth is a globe, there's no "right" way to represent it in two dimensions. The western convention is to put north at top and the Americas at left (these are Mercator maps). Other equally legitimate maps put (a) north at top and Eurasia/Oceania at left or (b) north at bottom.

Having said that, I do tend to fall in line with many conventions and applaud your anal retentiveness here.
However, given that the distance traveled between the schools is SO much shorter in one direction than the other, which is nearly a full circumnavigation of the globe, it makes sense to view their locations relatively in the shorter direction. 
I.e. we could either group the helmets by the West division
, and the East division
. And then within each division, present them by how far longitudinally far they are from the middle. 
Of course, Leaders and Legends never had this problem. 

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« Reply #91 on: October 18, 2018, 07:49:22 PM »
What the hell would the purpose be for the map/globe in the bottom left hand corner.Did Picasso paint that,make it red and put it on the badgers helmet
It is far better than the standard Mercator projections (the rectangular map we all know and love or "love") at representing the size of things near the poles. Because its longitude lines converge.
I said this example earlier. But it's so crazy that I think it bears repeating. Greenland is actually close in size to Algeria. But if you google image search for "world map," all of the top hits show something for Greenland that resembles the entire continent of Africa in size. It's an absurd mistake but inevitable if lthe longitude lines run parallel.
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Re: Board discussion and feedback
« Reply #92 on: October 18, 2018, 07:51:59 PM »
However, given that the distance traveled between the schools is SO much shorter in one direction than the other, which is nearly a full circumnavigation of the globe, it makes sense to view their locations relatively in the shorter direction.
I.e. we could either group the helmets by the West division
, and the East division
. And then within each division, present them by how far longitudinally far they are from the middle.
Of course, Leaders and Legends never had this problem.
I was moreso acknowledging that an entirely legitimate map with south marked at top and north at bottom would have the west at right and east at left. As one way of pointing out how arbitrary it is to say "west = left; east = right."

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« Reply #93 on: October 18, 2018, 09:27:00 PM »
I was moreso acknowledging that an entirely legitimate map with south marked at top and north at bottom would have the west at right and east at left. As one way of pointing out how arbitrary it is to say "west = left; east = right."
How high are you, bro? 

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« Reply #94 on: October 18, 2018, 10:12:24 PM »
Why do the Big Ten and Sec Conference boards have the "East" helmets on the left and the "West" helmets on the right?

Shouldn't it be the other way around? Like on a map?

Why aren't the helmets on the Pac 12 and ACC board divvied up by divisions like the Big Ten and Sec? Instead they are divided up asymmetrically in alphabetical order.

On the Pac board Stanford, Utah, UDub and Wazzou are on the right with the other 8 teams on the left.

On the Acc board BC, Clemson, FSU, Louisville and NC State are on the left with the other 9 teams plus ND on the right.

Not a big deal of course, just something I've noticed.
Upon closer inspection the Acc board helmets aren't even in alphabetical order like the Pac 12. 
It has Boston College, Clemson, Florida State, Louisville and then NC State to the left of the ACC logo. 
To the right is Notre Dame, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina, Pitt, Virginia and then Virginia Tech. 
What Dude
Oh I see. It would be divided into divisions if the Acc logo were between Wake Forest and Duke instead of NC State and Notre Dame. 
Weird. 
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Re: Board discussion and feedback
« Reply #95 on: October 19, 2018, 06:46:30 AM »
What the hell would the purpose be for the map/globe in the bottom left hand corner.Did Picasso paint that,make it red and put it on the badgers helmet
Seems to me it would be useful to look at if you were planning a sea route. It covers all the main ones in one shot.
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« Reply #96 on: October 19, 2018, 06:48:52 AM »
Well you prolly hear that when they get the bill
That's why I don't do residential work. For what some dickweeds charge for those surveys.. I can't even send my guys out to start the truck.
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« Reply #97 on: October 19, 2018, 07:16:40 AM »
Upon closer inspection the Acc board helmets aren't even in alphabetical order like the Pac 12.
It has Boston College, Clemson, Florida State, Louisville and then NC State to the left of the ACC logo.
To the right is Notre Dame, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina, Pitt, Virginia and then Virginia Tech.
What Dude?
Oh I see. It would be divided into divisions if the Acc logo were between Wake Forest and Duke instead of NC State and Notre Dame.
Weird.
I did all of those by hand using MS Paint, and while on an airplane... it was a PITA, but something that occupied my time and insomnia (i CANNOT sleep on an airplane- weird, huh? and it doesn't if I'm flying up South or Down North, Left East or Left West)... IIRC I stuck them where they fit best, with original intent to make the little conference banner look like a tab... I kinda fell flat on that it would appear.  

 

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