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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings - Quarterbacks
« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2020, 11:17:43 AM »
also, don't sleep on the younger McCaffrey in Lincoln
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings - Quarterbacks
« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2020, 01:20:49 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on May 05, 2020, 08:03:58 AM
People talk a lot about Jack Coan and Graham Mertz in Madison.

Don't sleep on Chase Wolf.
I feel weird saying I'm fine sleeping on him?

I mean, I assume Coan is the guy next year unless he just craters without Cephus and JT. And after that, is Wolf wants to be better, that'd be cool. But I'll assume third-year Mertz is more likely to do so. (Not that it's even a top-50 part of it, but him flaming out would be not ideal for recruiting)
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings - Quarterbacks
« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2020, 08:00:20 AM »
Is it often true that a less heralded QB blossoms in a conference and becomes really good, like what Burrow did last year?  (Fromm kind of did the reverse.)

I know Fields exceeded most expectations, even mine, and I thought he would do extremely well.

It does help when you have a lot of tools around you.  Funny how "tools" is both a good and a bad thing when applied to people.
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings - Quarterbacks
« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2020, 08:58:33 AM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on May 07, 2020, 01:20:49 AM
I feel weird saying I'm fine sleeping on him?

I mean, I assume Coan is the guy next year unless he just craters without Cephus and JT. And after that, is Wolf wants to be better, that'd be cool. But I'll assume third-year Mertz is more likely to do so. (Not that it's even a top-50 part of it, but him flaming out would be not ideal for recruiting)
On a scale of 1 to 10 how confident are you in Coan?
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings - Quarterbacks
« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2020, 10:10:08 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on May 07, 2020, 08:58:33 AM
On a scale of 1 to 10 how confident are you in Coan?
How do you mean confident. 

Confident he'll improve on last year's performance? 1.5

Confident he'll match last year's performance? 2-2.5

Confident he'll turn in a serviceable to good UW QB year? 7

I mean, last year, Coan posted the third-highest completion rate, fifth best passer rating and third most yards for a season in program history (that las one got a boost from 14 games). Falling back wouldn't surprise me.

But the question is if he's just bad. I'm reasonably confident that won't happen. Now if he regresses some and Mertz or Wolf rise up and take the job, that's another matter. UW has had two QB regressions in its past few starters. Maybe a person could quibble about one of them, but I just kind of assume Coan will be fine, not great, not bad enough to lose the job.
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings - Quarterbacks
« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2020, 10:25:16 AM »
Just trying to gage how Wiscy fans think of him. It was tough for me to rank him. 
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings - Quarterbacks
« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2020, 10:36:55 AM »
He doesn't make mistakes really, so that's great. Can he win a game alone? He has, in the past.

As for Hornibrook's regression, I think there is much more to that story than we'll ever see in the news.
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings - Quarterbacks
« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2020, 04:29:06 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on May 07, 2020, 10:10:08 AM
How do you mean confident.

Confident he'll improve on last year's performance? 1.5

Confident he'll match last year's performance? 2-2.5

Confident he'll turn in a serviceable to good UW QB year? 7

I mean, last year, Coan posted the third-highest completion rate, fifth best passer rating and third most yards for a season in program history (that las one got a boost from 14 games). Falling back wouldn't surprise me.

But the question is if he's just bad. I'm reasonably confident that won't happen. Now if he regresses some and Mertz or Wolf rise up and take the job, that's another matter. UW has had two QB regressions in its past few starters. Maybe a person could quibble about one of them, but I just kind of assume Coan will be fine, not great, not bad enough to lose the job.
I thought Coan was criminally underrated last year.  I didn't see every Wisconsin game, but he looked good in the ones I did see.  Even against Ohio State I thought he was pretty good.
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings - Quarterbacks
« Reply #36 on: May 08, 2020, 04:39:55 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on May 07, 2020, 10:36:55 AM
He doesn't make mistakes really, so that's great. Can he win a game alone? He has, in the past.

As for Hornibrook's regression, I think there is much more to that story than we'll ever see in the news.
His "regression" wasn't really even true.  He was worse as a junior than he was as a sophomore...on a worse team.  His junior year was still better than his freshman year that earned him tons of praise.  The issue wasn't regression as much as lack of development.  The arm strength was simply never there, and never got there.
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings - Quarterbacks
« Reply #37 on: May 08, 2020, 05:02:47 PM »
Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on May 08, 2020, 04:29:06 PM
I thought Coan was criminally underrated last year.  I didn't see every Wisconsin game, but he looked good in the ones I did see.  Even against Ohio State I thought he was pretty good.
Ehhh. They had an efficent but very conservative passing game. UW finished 103rd in yards per completion against FBS competition, a low number even for them. He loses likely the best tailback the program has seen and his top target. 

I don't think he's bad, but I could see some issues if he has to carry the offense, especially with how high they'll be rated. 
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings - Quarterbacks
« Reply #38 on: May 08, 2020, 05:08:38 PM »
Quote from: ELA on May 08, 2020, 04:39:55 PM
His "regression" wasn't really even true.  He was worse as a junior than he was as a sophomore...on a worse team.  His junior year was still better than his freshman year that earned him tons of praise.  The issue wasn't regression as much as lack of development.  The arm strength was simply never there, and never got there.
So, this is kind of half true. His freshman year stuff was praised because of the QB dynamic that with young QBs you look at what they can do, and with older ones, you look at what they can't do. 

Now in that sophomore year, he might've been doing some things that in retrospect wasn't super sustainable (an MGoBlog film person joked he dropped in a ball so perfectly into super tight coverage it had to be an accident). But he did play worse that next year. Pick rate went up, yards per attempt and completion fell. I thought the receivers played a role, pass protection as well, but the frayed edges of his game got more frayed, and that was with a notably better running game backing him. 
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings - Quarterbacks
« Reply #39 on: May 09, 2020, 08:19:04 AM »
I see Danny Davis having a big year, and I see Jalen Berger making a JT-like ascent to the starting tailback role as a true freshman, with RSF Julius Davis as his primary backup. Not sold on Watson and Groshek is just gonna be himself (which is good).
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings - Quarterbacks
« Reply #40 on: May 09, 2020, 03:39:11 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on May 05, 2020, 11:17:43 AM
also, don't sleep on the younger McCaffrey in Lincoln
would be something cool to see if both McCaffrey brothers had a breakout year of sorts.
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings - Quarterbacks
« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2020, 09:13:37 AM »
I'd like to see it.  I think Martinez is pretty good, so if McCafferey beats him out, this means good things for Frost's offense

would make for a good story on 10/30/2021

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