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ELA · « **Reply #14 on:** November 11, 2019, 09:52:40 AM »

OHIO STATE (1) - who needs Chase Young
MINNESOTA (5) - OK, I'm a believer
PENN STATE (2) - takes a lot of the hype away from the PSU-OSU matchup in two weeks
WISCONSIN (3) - nice job salvaging after a near collapse
MICHIGAN (4) - bye week
IOWA (6) - championship hopes are gone, but ruining Minnesota's best season in 60 years would still be nice
INDIANA (7) - bye week
ILLINOIS (9) - the turnovers they keep getting...unreal
MICHIGAN STATE (8) - just put a stake in them
PURDUE (10) - well, a win is a win
NEBRASKA (12) - bye week
MARYLAND (11) - yikes
NORTHWESTERN (13) - finally got a little offense, and the defense couldn't stop a redshirt third string QB
RUTGERS (14)

FearlessF · « **Reply #15 on:** November 11, 2019, 10:11:37 AM »

1. OSU
2. Minnesota
3. PSU
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4. Wisconsin
5. Michigan
6. Iowa
7. Indiana
9. Illinois
10. MSU
10. Purdue
11. Nebraska
12. Maryland
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13. Northwestern
14. Rutgers

SFBadger96 · « **Reply #16 on:** November 11, 2019, 12:44:50 PM »

1) Ohio State: until someone proves differently.
2) Hmm. I'm going with Penn State, but not easily. On a neutral field, of the non-Ohio State teams, I'm thinking Penn State. Wins against Michigan and Iowa matter.
3) Wisconsin. Same as #2. Head-to-head over Michigan matters. Iowa is always a fight (almost always, anyway), but that wasn't as inspiring as I would have liked.
4) Michigan: what was the phrase, "flattering long-term arrows?" Solid wins against Iowa and Notre Dame. So trending in the right direction, but still losses to two of the three ahead of it.
5) Minnesota: why this low? Because the season is 9 weeks old now, not one, and Minnesota has one quality win. But it was a good one, and with games at Iowa and at home against Wisconsin remaining, could very well end up #2 heading into the conference championship game.
6) Iowa: three close losses to teams ahead of it in the ratings. Minnesota next weekend should be a good one.

Now it gets hard...

7) Indiana: on the strength of wins and losses. But man, this is shaky.
8) Illinois? Because of flattering long-term arrows, the best win of any team this low, and a striking comeback against Sparty? Sure, why not.
9) Michigan State: oof. Should have been #7, until giving up 27 points in the 4th quarter to the Illini.
10) Purdue: yeah, this "high."
11) Nebraska
12) Northwestern
13) Maryland: not too much shame in that; Ohio State is really good.
14) Rutgers. Because Rutgers.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #17 on:** November 11, 2019, 03:12:25 PM »

Interesting to note that the 3 newbies are generally in the bottom 4 of these rankings, with NU. Would be interesting to see where these teams would stand if they were in their prior conferences (or AAC, as it stands for you-know-who).

SFBadger96 · « **Reply #18 on:** November 11, 2019, 05:04:46 PM »

You have to be sound in the kicking game...and other ways to screw up football games.

Consider: Michigan State gave up 27 points in the 4th quarter. My immediate question was how does that happen? Big plays? Of course. But how many bombs can you give up? One for 83 yards, one for 37--on 4th and 17...and a 76-yard pick six. Add in a pass interference on 4th and goal, giving the Illini a free set of downs, and--voila!--epic collapse. Of course, MSU was -2 for turnovers.

How did Wisconsin out gain Iowa by nearly 200 yards, and only win by 2 at home? -1 on turnovers, a missed field goal, and being on the wrong side of 8 (I think) penalties.

How did Wisconsin lose to Illinois? Big play: check (47-yard TD pass); missed field goal: check; another big play (46-yards, right after a defensive penalty took a 3rd and 8 and made it 3rd and 3); and turnovers (-2, including two in the 4th quarter); and 6-60 in penalties.

Penn State loses to Minnesota? PSU -2 on turnovers, and Minnesota averaged 17 yards per pass, with a handful of big ones mixed in (TDs of 66, 21, 38, plus another 36-yarder to set up the other TD). It's Minnesota torching PSU's defense in the passing game that should really worry Iowa, NW, and Wisconsin. How does that happen!?!

847badgerfan · « **Reply #19 on:** November 11, 2019, 06:21:36 PM »

I read that PSU got very little pressure on the QB. That's gonna help the passing game.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #20 on:** November 11, 2019, 06:46:01 PM »

Quote from: SFBadger96 on November 11, 2019, 05:04:46 PM

You have to be sound in the kicking game...and other ways to screw up football games.

Consider: Michigan State gave up 27 points in the 4th quarter. My immediate question was how does that happen? Big plays? Of course. But how many bombs can you give up? One for 83 yards, one for 37--on 4th and 17...and a 76-yard pick six. Add in a pass interference on 4th and goal, giving the Illini a free set of downs, and--voila!--epic collapse. Of course, MSU was -2 for turnovers.

How did Wisconsin out gain Iowa by nearly 200 yards, and only win by 2 at home? -1 on turnovers, a missed field goal, and being on the wrong side of 8 (I think) penalties.

How did Wisconsin lose to Illinois? Big play: check (47-yard TD pass); missed field goal: check; another big play (46-yards, right after a defensive penalty took a 3rd and 8 and made it 3rd and 3); and turnovers (-2, including two in the 4th quarter); and 6-60 in penalties.

Penn State loses to Minnesota? PSU -2 on turnovers, and Minnesota averaged 17 yards per pass, with a handful of big ones mixed in (TDs of 66, 21, 38, plus another 36-yarder to set up the other TD). It's Minnesota torching PSU's defense in the passing game that should really worry Iowa, NW, and Wisconsin. How does that happen!?!

I read from somebody years ago that the keys to winning football games are:

Turnover margin
3rd down success rate
Time of possession

Generally, if you win 2 of the 3, you should be winning the game. If you win all 3, it's rare that you'll lose the game.

Granted, the guy who argued this also argued that TOP didn't matter for Purdue due to the "basketball on grass" offense, and I'd argue that as the game has gotten more pass-happy and spread-oriented, it has much less weight. Especially in the age of HUNH offenses.

But turnover margin is and will always be huge. The more possessions you get, the more you can score. Each turnover takes an opponent's possession, and USUALLY it's with better field position than you'd get from a punt.

I think 3rd down success rate is still huge, because unless you're scoring on multiple big plays, it's all about sustaining drives.

FearlessF · « **Reply #21 on:** November 11, 2019, 07:14:55 PM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on November 11, 2019, 03:12:25 PM

Interesting to note that the 3 newbies are generally in the bottom 4 of these rankings, with NU. Would be interesting to see where these teams would stand if they were in their prior conferences (or AAC, as it stands for you-know-who).

can't speak for everyone, but I think UNL would be in about the same situation in the Big 12
Baylor, Oklahoma, Texas, Oklahoma St, Kansas St. and Iowa St would be similar to Ohio St., Minnesota, Indiana, and Purdue
if the Huskers couldn't win vs Purdue on the road or Indiana at home, there's no reason to think they would do better vs the Big 12

847badgerfan · « **Reply #22 on:** November 11, 2019, 08:12:34 PM »

They might still be recruiting Texas, had they stayed.

FearlessF · « **Reply #23 on:** November 11, 2019, 09:32:54 PM »

they might still be winning 8-9 games if they hadn't fired Pelini

with or w/o Texas recruits

btw, Frost has a verbal from a WR from Texas in the 2020 class

signed a DE from Texas in Frost's 2019 class

2 kids from Texas in Frost's 1st class in 2018 - Washington not on the roster

2017 two kids, one starting, one playing behind his big brother at nose tackle

yes, not as many as back in 2008. 9 kids from Texas -

Whitmore, David - CB
Thompson, Brandon - OT
Osborne, Courtney - ATH
Osborne, Steven - WR
Whaley, Alonzo - OLB
Williams, Josh - DE
Grant, David - OT
Spano, Kody - QB

Ward, Lester - RB

of that group, Whaley had a decent career, started his senior season

FearlessF · « **Reply #24 on:** November 11, 2019, 09:43:50 PM »

Quote from: bwarbiany on November 11, 2019, 06:46:01 PM

I read from somebody years ago that the keys to winning football games are:

Turnover margin
3rd down success rate
Time of possession

Generally, if you win 2 of the 3, you should be winning the game. If you win all 3, it's rare that you'll lose the game.

Wisconsin ranks in the top-five of the Big Ten in nearly all of the most important “winning” statistics – third-down conversions (2nd), opponent third-down conversions (1st), fourth-down conversions (1st), penalties committed (4th), time of possession (1st), turnover margin (5th), and red-zone defense (2nd).

The Huskers, on the other hand, rank no higher than sixth in any of those categories. Nebraska is going to have to be as close to perfect as it's been this year to win on Saturday.

RestingB!tchFace · « **Reply #25 on:** November 11, 2019, 11:33:54 PM »

Quote from: SFBadger96 on November 11, 2019, 12:44:50 PM

5) Minnesota: why this low? Because the season is 9 weeks old now, not one, and Minnesota has one quality win. But it was a good one, and with games at Iowa and at home against Wisconsin remaining, could very well end up #2 heading into the conference championship game.

You DO realize that Wisconsin just picked up their second quality win this past weekend, right?

FearlessF · « **Reply #26 on:** November 12, 2019, 12:16:28 AM »

two more than the Hawkeyes?

Unless you count ISU as a quality win for the Hawks

MaximumSam · « **Reply #27 on:** November 12, 2019, 07:44:45 AM »

SP+

1. OSU (1)
2. PSU (7)
3. Wisconsin (11)
4. Minnesota (13)
5. Michigan (15)
6. Indiana (19)
7. Iowa (23)
8. MSU (35)
9. Illinois (53)
10. Nebraska (57)
11. Purdue (59)
12. Maryland (80)
13. Northwestern (90)
14. Rutgers (107)

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