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847badgerfan

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« Reply #182 on: January 20, 2018, 12:35:41 PM »
Let us know how we can help, if you want help that is.
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« Reply #183 on: January 20, 2018, 12:37:18 PM »
For sure, there's just a lot of steps between here and there.  I even have a contact with a board game guy who brings games to fruition, I'm just afraid of the NCAA aspect.

If there aren't actual logos and players, the game is dead.  
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« Reply #184 on: January 20, 2018, 12:54:26 PM »
Alright, 1976 or 2001 for Maryland?

1993, 1998, 1999, 2006, or 2017 for Wisconsin???
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« Reply #185 on: January 20, 2018, 11:36:46 PM »
I don’t know if they’ve been mentioned but OU in 1978 was one of the Sooners great teams.  They started off the season beating a good Stanford team in Palo Alto, and took out #6 Texas convincingly.  Only loss was 17-14 to Nebraska in Lincoln, which they avenged by beating the Huskers in the Orange Bowl.  OU rushed for 5001 yards which is second alltime at OU and Billy Sims won the Heisman.  Good D too.  Finished 3rd in the AP.
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« Reply #186 on: January 21, 2018, 08:20:19 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 20, 2018, 12:54:26 PM
Alright, 1976 or 2001 for Maryland?

1993, 1998, 1999, 2006, or 2017 for Wisconsin???
1993.
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« Reply #187 on: January 21, 2018, 08:38:09 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 20, 2018, 11:46:18 AM
Definitely not taking the time to make a 2017 UCF team card set, sorry.
maybe someday when you're retired and have some extra time
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Re: All-Time Great Non-National Champion Teams...
« Reply #188 on: January 21, 2018, 03:31:15 PM »
Can I make a suggestion for punt returns. Maybe I missed it but I didn’t see a chance for the returner to lose yards. Maybe change it to roll 1-lose few yards, 2 fair catch, 3- short gain, 4-normal gain, 5-big gain, and 6- get a chance to roll again if you get 6 again it’s a huge gain or even td, if not it’s just like rolling a 5. Or did I overlook the chance for losing yards on punt return?

Also I’d love to get a set of teams and play some games and give you my results. If you’d like that help anyway. This is a great idea.
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« Reply #189 on: January 21, 2018, 06:11:21 PM »
You're correct.  I had the same thought the other day as well.  

What was thinking about doing is instead of a regular 6-sided die with 5 yardage outcomes and a fair catch, I could expand it to a 10 or 12-sided die.  I'd remake the chart with a more wide array of yardage outcomes, including one or two yardage loss outcomes.  It'd also provide more variety of short returns and longer returns.

Thanks for the idea, it's what I need.  Nitpicking/questioning/etc.
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« Reply #190 on: January 21, 2018, 08:06:36 PM »
Quote from: CousinFreddie on January 20, 2018, 11:36:46 PM
I don’t know if they’ve been mentioned but OU in 1978 was one of the Sooners great teams.  They started off the season beating a good Stanford team in Palo Alto, and took out #6 Texas convincingly.  Only loss was 17-14 to Nebraska in Lincoln, which they avenged by beating the Huskers in the Orange Bowl.  OU rushed for 5001 yards which is second alltime at OU and Billy Sims won the Heisman.  Good D too.  Finished 3rd in the AP.
That team was Switzer's best not to win the NC.  Lots of knowledgeable Sooner fans think it was his best team period.  I think they had 11 fumbles, losing 6 of them, in the loss in Lincoln.  Billy Sims lost a fumble late as they were driving for the winning TD, on a run in which he broke 3-4 tackles before coughing up the ball.
OU wouldn't have been in that game without Sims, but it was his fumble that clinched the loss.  Damn!
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Re: All-Time Great Non-National Champion Teams...
« Reply #191 on: January 22, 2018, 12:11:39 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on January 21, 2018, 08:20:19 AM
1993.
Really? My favorite team, but the best of that group?

The earlier consensus here seemed to be '98, though I probably would have gone with '99. '17 is too hard for me to process right now. 
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« Reply #192 on: January 22, 2018, 01:07:55 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on January 21, 2018, 08:06:36 PM
That team was Switzer's best not to win the NC.  Lots of knowledgeable Sooner fans think it was his best team period.  I think they had 11 fumbles, losing 6 of them, in the loss in Lincoln.  Billy Sims lost a fumble late as they were driving for the winning TD, on a run in which he broke 3-4 tackles before coughing up the ball.
OU wouldn't have been in that game without Sims, but it was his fumble that clinched the loss.  Damn!
Switzer himself has said, this was his best team
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« Reply #193 on: January 22, 2018, 01:20:10 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 20, 2018, 12:00:23 PM
The last game trial I played was 1995 Florida @ 1985 Oklahoma.  Gators won, 31-7.  Some notes:

*It needs more possessions - 10 isn't enough - not enough total plays being run.  I'll go with 12 possessions next time.

*The defense cards need tweaking - when you play the "key on deep pass", it's too much of a penalty on a running play.  The OU defense was keying on pass mostly, which allowed UF to run really well.  
Conversely, UF keyed on OU's inside run, so the Sooners kept falling short of making first downs.  Part of it was the UF defense keying on it, part of it was the luck of the draw of the cards.  OU routinely would get 9 yards on a possession, but have to punt.
OU's passing stats were crap, even with UF keying on the run.  If they'd hit a few passes, the game would've been a lot closer, but the Sooners threw 2 INT and had a ton of incomplete passes.

Florida, itself, threw 2 INTs, but each completion seemed to go for an easy first down.  



So I need to change the defense cards from 'key on this, give up more on that' to more of a 'key on this, doesn't affect that much at all' type of thing.  And yes, there is a base defense option, in which you don't key on anything, specifically, and just accept the offensive play outcome.  

*I was unsure about how many plays had to be called before you could put used play cards back into your deck, but this game revealed an answer to that.  I was thinking 25 or so (out of the 40 play cards - 10 each of inside run, outside run, short pass, long pass), but since I didn't use 25 plays in either half for either team, it became obvious that I refill my play cards deck at halftime.  Even with additional possessions, this makes sense.  Very glad the fix revealed itself.


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« Reply #194 on: January 22, 2018, 01:45:06 PM »
Quote from: SFBadger96 on January 22, 2018, 12:11:39 PM
Really? My favorite team, but the best of that group?

The earlier consensus here seemed to be '98, though I probably would have gone with '99. '17 is too hard for me to process right now.
1993 lost one game, on a fluke night, to a hated rival. They play 9 more times and UW wins all 9.

1998 lost one game, and in that one they were completely outclassed by Michigan.

1999 was a good team by the end, but I can't get past the Cincinnati loss and that they struggled with Stanford.
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Re: All-Time Great Non-National Champion Teams...
« Reply #195 on: January 22, 2018, 07:20:51 PM »
Quote from: ELA on January 22, 2018, 01:20:10 PM
Don't lie, you built in a fix like the anti-Pippen bug in the arcade NBA Jam
Well I need outcomes like this to help me tinker with the game.  Sure, I love the 96 Gators, but their defense wasn't special.  Maybe a 97 Michigan or a 92 Bama could wreck OU's option, but with this outcome, I can see that the "key on inside run" was too punitive to the offense.  
Same with OU's keying on the deep pass - it opened up the run too easily for Florida.  So those are things I can address. 
And who does it hurt that the 96 Gators are 2-0 with wins over '85 OU and the '95 Huskers?  :57:
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