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Re: All-Time Great Non-National Champion Teams...
« Reply #112 on: December 15, 2017, 02:17:14 PM »
I should have quoted the passage to which I was responding.1903 Minnesota was 14-0-1.
1905 was the year they mentioned and minn went 10-1 and played those small non-con teams, just like most teams during that period did.

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« Reply #113 on: December 15, 2017, 02:58:31 PM »
Some of those D3 schools were pretty good back then. 

Ohio Wesleyan once beat OSU and Michigan in the same season, with Fielding Yost as OWU's coach. 

John Heisman's 1892 Oberlin team went 2-0 against the Buckeyes by a combined score of 90-4. OSU only had one other loss that season. 
1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

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« Reply #114 on: December 15, 2017, 05:24:19 PM »
Looking at Texas A&M....

the 1994 team, on probation, went 10-0-1.  The tie was with 1-9-1 SMU......that's insane.

Other notable seasons:
1975, 1976, 1985, 1992 (12-1), 1998 upset KSU, 2012 Johnny Fooseball

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« Reply #115 on: December 15, 2017, 06:36:23 PM »
In 1977, Texas had 5 different players throw an interception and had 4 different players punt at least 3 times....

So we've got 77, 81, 83, then 08 and 09.  I like 08 over 09 because McCoy was better and had two 1000 yard WRs...but the 09 defense was much better.

77 has Earl Campbell and nobody really stands out for me in 81 or 83.  Anyone with more to contribute?
5 players threw a pick and four guys punted at least 3 times?  That's hard to believe.

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« Reply #116 on: December 15, 2017, 10:47:23 PM »
Thanks to probation that was the yr the swc had a 5 way tie for the title. Including Rice !

I'd go w 1992.  I remember Corey Pullig making his debut, came on for an injured Jeff Granger at qb.   Pullig played forever it seemed.  Greg Hill had to be the feature back.  Aaron Glenn at DB.

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« Reply #117 on: December 15, 2017, 11:03:14 PM »
Rice really got the short end of the SWC break up. 

They are now in CUSA West, with UTEP, UNT, UTSA, SMUe, La Tech, and UAB. 

And they finished 5th in that division this year, at 1-11

The rest of the SWC found their way to the American West, the Big XII and the SEC West. 
1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

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« Reply #118 on: December 16, 2017, 09:05:58 PM »
Pre-Dantoni, would you take MSU 1987 or 1999?  
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« Reply #119 on: December 17, 2017, 12:23:28 AM »
In 2003, Minnesota was 10-3, losing to Michigan (10-3), Michigan State (8-5), and Iowa (10-3). It was their first 10 win season since 1905. Little wonder as to why they won 10. They played 5 non-1A schools, one of which was a High School!

In researching this, 1903 really caught my eye. Minnesota beat Macalester (MN) 112-0, Grinnell (IA) 39-0, Lawrence (WI) 46-0, and Beloit (WI) 46-0. Today all of those schools are in the Midwest Conference in Division III. My grandson played for Beloit this year.
Here's the quote.  The reference to Minnesota going 10-3 after playing 5 non-1A schools, one of which was a high school, is for 2003.  Not 1903 or 1905.  Minnesota did indeed go 10-3 in 2003, but it didn't play any non-1A schools.
The second paragraph of the quote addresses 1903, which seems to fit the description teams played by the "2003" team mentioned in the first paragraph, except that Minnesota went 14-0-1, not 10-3, in 1903, and played 6 non-1A schools, not 5.
In 1905, Minnesota played 5 non-1A schools, but went 10-1, not 10-3.
Hence my question.
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« Reply #120 on: December 17, 2017, 03:59:19 PM »
In my years of paying attention, I'd think the 1998 Buckeyes or 2002 Trojans are way up there. 1996 Buckeyes too, perhaps.

I think the 2002 Trojan team would have throttled either Miami or OSU that year in an MNC game. They were lights out by the end of the season. Heckuva SOS too.
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Re: All-Time Great Non-National Champion Teams...
« Reply #121 on: December 17, 2017, 05:25:40 PM »
Here's the quote.  The reference to Minnesota going 10-3 after playing 5 non-1A schools, one of which was a high school, is for 2003.  Not 1903 or 1905.  Minnesota did indeed go 10-3 in 2003, but it didn't play any non-1A schools.
The second paragraph of the quote addresses 1903, which seems to fit the description teams played by the "2003" team mentioned in the first paragraph, except that Minnesota went 14-0-1, not 10-3, in 1903, and played 6 non-1A schools, not 5.
In 1905, Minnesota played 5 non-1A schools, but went 10-1, not 10-3.
Hence my question.
Sorry I couldn't draw you a picture because reading comprehension is obviously not your forte. You are the only one on the forum that did not understand to which I was referring. Not once , not twice, but three times. You struck out on all three years in question!

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« Reply #122 on: December 17, 2017, 07:18:39 PM »
Sorry I couldn't draw you a picture because reading comprehension is obviously not your forte. You are the only one on the forum that did not understand to which I was referring. Not once , not twice, but three times. You struck out on all three years in question!
Ah, I see that you can't explain what you were trying to say.
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« Reply #123 on: December 17, 2017, 08:11:40 PM »
In my years of paying attention, I'd think the 1998 Buckeyes or 2002 Trojans are way up there. 1996 Buckeyes too, perhaps.

I think the 2002 Trojan team would have throttled either Miami or OSU that year in an MNC game. They were lights out by the end of the season. Heckuva SOS too.
I don't think anyone would "throttle" that Miami team, lol.
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« Reply #124 on: December 17, 2017, 08:27:52 PM »
ya never know since no one ever rolled a football out on the field of play
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« Reply #125 on: December 17, 2017, 09:36:35 PM »
USC's running game was very pedestrian in 02.  Playing 9 ranked teams is amazing, but if you lose 2 of those games, then does it still belong on your resume?  Miami could run and pass, and their defense was better.  

Most people were singing Georgia's praises late in the year, as being "hot", no?  
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