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Some people dismiss Tebow as a system QB.  I guess....if your system heaps more responsibility and play-calls onto the QB's shoulders, I guess that's a system.
Anywho, I wanted to see the great Tebow stacked against Barrett - not to diss Barrett, I'm seemingly his only supporter, but to see the difference between a QB with elite talent around him and a QB with elite talent around him.  Right?

Tebow's stats:
661 for 995 (66.4%), 9,285 at 9.3 ypa.  88 TD, 16 INT = 170.8 Rating
692 rush attempts for 2,947 yards (4.3 ypc) and 57 TD

Barrett:
769 for 1,211 (63.5%), 9,434 at 7.8 ypa.  104 TD, 30 INT = 152.3 Rating
656 rush attempts for 3,263 yards (5.0 ypc) and 43 TD

Wow, I had no idea Barrett had so many touches.  I recall Meyer scaling back Tebow's plays purposely from his huge soph Heisman year.  Looks like he rode Barrett like a horse.  Interesting.

I think the two were used very differently as runners - Barrett often in a 5-wide shotgun draw (OSU fans correct me) and Tebow often in a 2-TE, 3rd-and-1 dive play.  That could explain both the yards-per-carry and rush TD discrepancies.  One difference - Tebow led Florida in rush attempts his 3 years as starting QB, and was 2nd his FR year.  Barrett only led OSU in attempts once, but was 2nd the other years.  He had a "dude" at RB, while Tebow did not.

The point is, both Ohio State and Florida were great under these guys.  tOSU was 50-6 in Barrett's 4 years (he didn't start them all, I know).  Florida was 35-6 in Tebow's starting seasons, 48-7 in his 4 years.  

Tebow was a Heisman finalist all 3 years he started, Barrett got one 5th-place finish.  Tebow was the superior passer, I think it's fair to say, an all-time great short-yardage runner.  Barrett's 43 TD and 5 yards per carry are right between Randle El and Denard Robinson as all-time top 3 in the B10.  Tebow's 57 TD are 2nd all-time for a P5 QB, between Crouch and KSU's Klein - 2 option QBs, in the classic sense of the word.  

But look back at Tebow and Barrett's numbers......both at elite programs, same coach, same system, both ultra-successful, so that's a push.  Barrett had kind of an INT issue compared to Tebow, and Tim has a big lead in yards per pass, but otherwise, they're the same.  

I don't know what all this means, but the busy-ness of team quality, schedule, stats, and such is a freakin' maze and IMO common knowledge isn't exactly spot-on.

as a UNL fan.. I'd still take Gill over Frazier.   One QB in UNL's history that doesn't get enough love is Lord.   He had very little around him and almost beat a good Texas team in Lincoln.  If he played for TO, I think he would have been a legend. 

as a UNL fan.. I'd still take Gill over Frazier.   One QB in UNL's history that doesn't get enough love is Lord.   He had very little around him and almost beat a good Texas team in Lincoln.  If he played for TO, I think he would have been a legend.  

Gill is my fav all-time at UNL.  Lord was the best runner.
I would have loved to see what Gerry Gdowski would have done with another season - burned redshirt
Frazier did have 199 yards vs the #2 ranked Gators - best QB numbers in a bowl until Vince Young came along - Vince was a better runner and passer than Tommie

I'll post THE official 'best number ever' list here, as we vote.  I'll update it as needed.

1 - Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Pitt
2 - Charles Woodson, CB, Michigan
3 - Carson Palmer, QB, USC
4 - Champ Bailey, CB, Georgia
5 - Reggie Bush, RB, USC
6 - Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma
7 - Michael Vick, QB, Virginia Tech
8 - Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville

Happy with that list.

I tend to view VY in the conversation of "best of all time regardless of position".

The guy could have played any position (outside of OL at DT) for any team, at any time.

VY and MV are the two that stand out to me..