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Topic: #6 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-2, 4-3) Post Game

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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #98 on: October 18, 2018, 03:35:44 PM »
Quote from: Anonymous Coward on October 18, 2018, 03:28:49 PM
As for Michigan, since we finally have LBs, that could be true. Though the 2016 DL was filthier than this. Taco/Wormley/Gary/Winovich at end. And then it was Glasgow/Godin/Hurst and someone I'm forgetting. 
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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #99 on: October 18, 2018, 03:41:44 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on October 18, 2018, 03:22:57 PM
Winovich is pretty bad at setting the edge. Both of Wisc long runs on those end arounds were pretty much his fault.
I’d start Gary and Paye and use Winovich as a pass rush specialist.
The jet sweep TD was primarily on the CB (Watson) who didn't crack replace when Kinnel came up to run through a crack block (Watson needed to back off but got confused).
Later on, UW called the same play, the safety again came down to run through a crack block, and finally Watson replaced. The result: 2 yards. This one was with a little more than 2min remaining in the 3rd.
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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #100 on: October 18, 2018, 08:30:46 PM »
well, now the insider chat is Gary will be back. Wtf. Who knows what to think. If he is back, that's a big plus for Michigan. Not sure there is a better DE at setting the edge against the run than Gary in the entire nation.

State was probably going to have trouble running the ball even if he wasn't starting. If he is actually starting? Man. They will have to really get creative and lucky to get any yards on the ground.
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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #101 on: October 18, 2018, 08:34:16 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on October 18, 2018, 08:30:46 PM
well, now the insider chat is Gary will be back. Wtf. Who knows what to think. If he is back, that's a big plus for Michigan. Not sure there is a better DE at setting the edge against the run than Gary in the entire nation.

State was probably going to have trouble running the ball even if he wasn't starting. If he is actually starting? Man. They will have to really get creative and lucky to get any yards on the ground.
Isn't that what you and I were talking about in this thread today ~3PM?
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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #102 on: October 18, 2018, 08:35:41 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on October 18, 2018, 03:27:06 PM
2016 was deeper Line with Charlton,Wormley,Mone,Hurst,Glasgow,Gary,Glasgow.
Not sure it was as talented or explosive. Outside of Hurst. Gary and Mone both honestly rarely played in 2016 so I wouldn't exactly include them in there.
Winovich, Paye, Uche, Dwumfour, Gary, and even Aidan Hutchinson are all way more explosive than Charlton, Glasgow, or Wormley ever dreamed of being.
The only guy who matched that kind of explosion is Hurst and he wasn't a starter on that line 2016.
This line is better imo.
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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #103 on: October 18, 2018, 09:33:10 PM »
I think this DL is better sliiiightly on the outside. But there's NO WAY it is better on the inside. Just compare Wisconsin's success on the ground versus Michigan these two seasons.
The Badgers earning that many 5-6 yard runs against Michigan last weekend made me sick. Yes, they have the best OL in the nation and perhaps the best RB. But that doesn't mean they are unstoppable. Glasgow was far more immoveable than anyone we have now.
The interior pass rush may be better this year (*maybe*), but the run D is like 8 ladder rungs away.
It could/will get closer with Solomon getting back to full strength. He was clearly our best interior lineman versus UW, albeit on very few snaps.
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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #104 on: October 18, 2018, 09:40:20 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on October 18, 2018, 08:30:46 PM
well, now the insider chat is Gary will be back. Wtf. Who knows what to think. If he is back, that's a big plus for Michigan. Not sure there is a better DE at setting the edge against the run than Gary in the entire nation.

State was probably going to have trouble running the ball even if he wasn't starting. If he is actually starting? Man. They will have to really get creative and lucky to get any yards on the ground.
I think it's possible we are underestimating MSU's run game (seeing as they've never played a game this season with their full preseason OL starter list ... but right now, they'll have 4 of those 5 back. They'll take a step forward. And they always find some way to smack Michigan. This feels like a doublesmack.
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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #105 on: October 19, 2018, 07:33:47 AM »
If Gary is not back I have a lot of confidence in Paye who has been playing very well.  If Michigan's DL was able to limit Wisconsin's run game they should be able to handle Sparty's.  Lewerke does add a new dimension with his feet that Wisconsin did not have.  He's likely better throwing on the move too.
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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #106 on: October 19, 2018, 07:45:40 AM »
Quote from: Anonymous Coward on October 18, 2018, 09:40:20 PM
I think it's possible we are underestimating MSU's run game (seeing as they've never played a game this season with their full preseason OL starter list ... but right now, they'll have 4 of those 5 back. They'll take a step forward. And they always find some way to smack Michigan. This feels like a doublesmack.
Have you heard more about Jarvis?  I haven't heard one way or the other whether he'll play.
I think what we are missing more might be Madre London, who took a grad transfer to Tennessee to get more PT.  We basically got a game and a quarter out of LJ Scott.  I think La'Darius Jefferson will be good, but he's a true freshman, and Conor Heyward is ok, but I still think his move to RB was 100% need based, and it can't be his best position.  Behind a line like this, we could use a back with better vision.  Jefferson as a true freshman who was playing QB last year, and Heyward, who most thought would wind up at LB, simply don't have it.  Don't get me wrong, the OL, for whatever reason has been awful in run blocking, but their poor vision hasn't helped matters.
Lewerke may throw the ball 50 times.  And with White still out, and Stewart and Nailor unclear, that may not be a winning strategy either.
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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #107 on: October 19, 2018, 10:00:27 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on October 18, 2018, 08:35:41 PM
Winovich, Paye, Uche, Dwumfour, Gary, and even Aidan Hutchinson are all way more explosive than Charlton, Glasgow, or Wormley ever dreamed of being.
The only guy who matched that kind of explosion is Hurst and he wasn't a starter on that line 2016.
This line is better imo.
Charlton had  like 10 sacks on the season and like 14 tfl's,that's pretty damn explosive.Have to wait to the end of the year to tally this groups numbers.I just remember that defense being pretty damn stoudt as a unit.Not sure about Sparty's O-Line but this year's edition of tOSU's has been underwhelming after losing 3 starters from last year.So not sure how M's line can be graded there.ND got Tommy Kraemer and Liam Eichenberg the top two players in Ohio in 2016 and it has panned out handsomely(for them).Man was I fooking P.O'd when they both left the state.So ND is the barometer for the season.And this could be the year M faces them again
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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #108 on: October 19, 2018, 10:20:16 AM »
I haven't heard. But this week I don't think we would have learned nuggets like that from the inside this week. And he's seemed close for weeks. Not exactly 
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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #109 on: October 19, 2018, 10:21:39 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on October 19, 2018, 10:00:27 AM
Charlton had  like 10 sacks on the season and like 14 tfl's,that's pretty damn explosive.Have to wait to the end of the year to tally this groups numbers.I just remember that defense being pretty damn stoudt as a unit.Not sure about Sparty's O-Line but this year's edition of tOSU's has been underwhelming after losing 3 starters from last year.So not sure how M's line can be graded there.ND got Tommy Kraemer and Liam Eichenberg the top two players in Ohio in 2016 and it has panned out handsomely(for them).Man was I fooking P.O'd when they both left the state.So ND is the barometer for the season.And this could be the year M faces them again
Yeah, by the end of the year, especially against OSU, Taco was an all-timer like Brandon Graham or Woodley. He didn't have the full career like them, but he ended at the same level.
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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #110 on: October 19, 2018, 01:31:47 PM »
Quote from: ELA on October 19, 2018, 07:45:40 AM
Lewerke may throw the ball 50 times.  And with White still out, and Stewart and Nailor unclear, that may not be a winning strategy.
May not be? If he throws it 50 times that sounds like it’d be a disaster for MSU.
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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #111 on: October 19, 2018, 01:36:22 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on October 19, 2018, 01:31:47 PM
May not be? If he throws it 50 times that sounds like it’d be a disaster for MSU.
Obviously if he doesn't have to throw it's better, but he's thrown it 50+ times to beat Penn State each of the last two years.  So they CAN win by doing that, and the delta between their run blocking and pass blocking seems astronomical right now.  I think a big portion of that is Chewins' back injury.  It seem like he feels better moving and finding a guy to put a body on, rather than going straight up in run blocking.
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