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Topic: #6 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-2, 4-3) Post Game

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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #84 on: October 18, 2018, 02:14:01 PM »
He's just trying to get the madman to bring his kids to Iran for vacation this spring.
I was thinking he was a heavy contributor to the UM money laundering...I mean endowment fund
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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #85 on: October 18, 2018, 02:22:53 PM »
Gary has nothing to gain by playing and everything to lose. Even if he doesn't play another down he's a 1st round pick in the 2019 draft.
I dunno,potentially sure but do you think his body of work up to this point exceeds Hands(4th rd) or Hursts(5th rd)?IMO it hasn't which of course doesn't mean it won't on Sunday's.So I suppose it depends on draft depth at the position and team needs heading in
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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #86 on: October 18, 2018, 02:25:17 PM »
I dunno,potentially sure but do you think his body of work up to this point exceeds Hands(4th rd) or Hursts(5th rd)?IMO it hasn't which of course doesn't mean it won't on Sunday's.So I suppose it depends on draft depth at the position and team needs heading in
Of course it exceeds Da'Shawn Hand's. Hand was a pretty bad college player who never started at Alabama.
Hurst is killing the NFL and the only reason he fell to the 5th round was because of the heart condition.
Rashan Gary is a 1st round pick even if he doesn't play another down.

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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #87 on: October 18, 2018, 02:28:29 PM »
He's been dealing with the same nagging shoulder injury since the 2nd half of last season. Instead of leaning on him to get surgery and rehab in the off-season - they didn't.

I have some training in this area. Since his shoulder isn't permanently drooped and he could play at all, we have some sense of the "grade" of this AC injury. Injuries of those grades tend not to have a surgical option, tend not to progress, and "merely" present as painful. I haven't seen his charts, so of course it's somewhat irresponsible for me to say this. But no more irresponsible than promising that he was mismanaged.

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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #88 on: October 18, 2018, 02:30:33 PM »
I have some training in this area. Since his shoulder isn't permanently drooped and he could play at all, we have some sense of the "grade" of this AC injury. Injuries of those grades tend not to have a surgical option, tend not to progress, and "merely" present as painful. I haven't seen his charts, so of course it's somewhat irresponsible for me to say this. But no more irresponsible than promising that he was mismanaged.
if he's really having that much of an issue and it doesn't require surgery they should've sent him to Panama to get stem cell treatments.

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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #89 on: October 18, 2018, 02:31:53 PM »
Of course it exceeds Da'Shawn Hand's. Hand was a pretty bad college player who never started at Alabama.
Hurst is killing the NFL and the only reason he fell to the 5th round was because of the heart condition.
Rashan Gary is a 1st round pick even if he doesn't play another down.
Ya just looked that up hadn't paid any attention to bama as tOSU never met them.Isn't he playing decent for the Lions though?Gary & Hursts stats were almost identical last season - which was pretty good.Forgot about the heart condition
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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #90 on: October 18, 2018, 02:37:02 PM »
Hurst was a generational player. I'd call him the best DT in america last year (sorry, Ed Oliver) without flinching. Certainly was the best Michigan guy since I've been a fan (sorry Branch, Watson, and Glasgow).
It was pretty funny (except for Hurst's bank account) to watch so many NFL teams think that they were the first to spot this or that they cared more about Hurst and his health than Michigan. If a player plays for Michigan, he's been cleared by one of the best medical complexes on Earth. Everyone can sleep soundly that Hurst's heart was diagnosed, then vetted thoroughly, if not excessively.
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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #91 on: October 18, 2018, 02:42:56 PM »
if he's really having that much of an issue and it doesn't require surgery they should've sent him to Panama to get stem cell treatments.
What he needs is a year of rest. Given his position, market value and aspirations, he could never allow himself to never practice or play. 
Until he gets paid, he's stuck.

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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #92 on: October 18, 2018, 02:57:02 PM »
And of course now the rumors are going the other way, that he's practicing and this week or next, will play.

Is Harbaugh messing with us or is this real? No one knows.

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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #93 on: October 18, 2018, 03:08:05 PM »
And of course now the rumors are going the other way, that he's practicing and this week or next, will play.

Is Harbaugh messing with us or is this real? No one knows.
if he was playing it’d have been announced. 
Gamesmanship is all this is. Make Sparty prepare for Gary. 
Have my doubts he plays. 
I hope to hell he prays. If he does could wind up being M’s version of that 2013 game where Sparty just overwhelmed M at the LoS and they finished the game with like -48 yards rushing. If Gary can go, not sure how MSU will block that Michigan front. It’s the weakest OL unit Dantonio has had in years and this might be the best M front 7 in ages with a healthy Gary.

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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #94 on: October 18, 2018, 03:19:15 PM »
I will say versus Wisconsin, Paye was excellent in run defense. Various grades coming out this week put him as the most productive M DL versus the Badgers - even over Winovich. And his pass rush is a "+" also. Can't really afford to keep descending down the depth chart, though.

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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #95 on: October 18, 2018, 03:22:57 PM »
I will say versus Wisconsin, Paye was excellent in run defense. Various grades coming out this week put him as the most productive M DL versus the Badgers - even over Winovich. And his pass rush is a "+" also. Can't really afford to keep descending down the depth chart, though.
Winovich is pretty bad at setting the edge. Both of Wisc long runs on those end arounds were pretty much his fault. 
I’d start Gary and Paye and use Winovich as a pass rush specialist.

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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #96 on: October 18, 2018, 03:27:06 PM »
this might be the best M front 7 in ages with a healthy Gary.
2016 was deeper Line with Charlton,Wormley,Mone,Hurst,Glasgow,Gary,Glasgow.
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Re: #6 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) Game Week
« Reply #97 on: October 18, 2018, 03:28:49 PM »
As for Michigan, since we finally have LBs, that could be true. Though the 2016 DL was filthier than this. Taco/Wormley/Gary/Winovich at end. And then it was Glasgow/Godin/Hurst and someone I'm forgetting. That was a DL for the ages. I mean, Hurst may have been the most impactful player on his few snaps AND HE WASN'T EVEN A STARTER.

The LBs thing might make you right, though. The 2016 LBs were "fine." I still remember how that season began. That team could have played with a starting DL, Peppers, all DBs and still gotten those early shut outs. Obviously offenses would have changed their calls if Michigan were only using 9 guys on defense. But what I mean is that, with how well the DL+Peppers were playing, the LBs didn't even need to be there.
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